lupus Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Like has been done then plan it so it doesnt clash , there is no excuse fo missing it IMO. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why should our meeting take precedence over Polish league meetings? Imagine if one of our riders missed a league meeting to ride in a Polish championship meeting - all hell would break lose on here! The only riders who you can even possibly 'demand' this of are the British riders - all other riders have their loyalties to their own country first and then the other countries are equal! I think you've come up with some quite reasonable suggestions but it does make me laugh when you say that Thursday evening is ridiculous as it means some inconvenience to the 'southern' based teams fans. Sunday evenings on the M6 make a journey back from Poole a complete nightmare for Wolves and Belle Vue fans.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjm Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 (edited) Why should our meeting take precedence over Polish league meetings? Imagine if one of our riders missed a league meeting to ride in a Polish championship meeting - all hell would break lose on here! The only riders who you can even possibly 'demand' this of are the British riders - all other riders have their loyalties to their own country first and then the other countries are equal! I think you've come up with some quite reasonable suggestions but it does make me laugh when you say that Thursday evening is ridiculous as it means some inconvenience to the 'southern' based teams fans. Sunday evenings on the M6 make a journey back from Poole a complete nightmare for Wolves and Belle Vue fans.... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Where did i once say it had to clash with a Polish league meeting ?, i did say Sundays would be preferable, maybe you should read what is posted rather than just picking holes in it. Edited February 5, 2007 by wjm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupus Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Polish league matches are run on Sundays, most riders travel there on a Saturday due to flights etc, you are saying the ELRC should run at a weekend and we should INSIST that riders are there. Which bit of the above have I got wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjm Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 (edited) Polish league matches are run on Sundays, most riders travel there on a Saturday due to flights etc, you are saying the ELRC should run at a weekend and we should INSIST that riders are there. Which bit of the above have I got wrong? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I said my preference would be that it is run at the weekend. In fact if you go back i only questioned the Thursday running, i didn't mention the weekend, but that would have have been my preference. Edited February 5, 2007 by wjm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupus Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 I said my preference would be that it is run at the weekend. In fact if you go back i only questioned the Thursday running, i didn't mention the weekend, but that would have have been my preference. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Really? Okay the quote below doesn't specifically say you'd prefer the weekend but what is so 'shocking' about Sheffield on a Thurday night, if not that it isn't Poole on a Sunday afternoon?! Like has been mentioned several times, the venues and dates are shocking, Sheffiled on a Thursday night being the wost example, i know what line is coming in reply to this, the whole " you have plenty of time to make arrangements for it " , yes that is fair enough , but some fans don't, some cant take a half day to get there maybe more , i am sorry but JC is being called a fan friendly promoter, that isnt catering for Eastnourne,Poole,Reading,Arena, should i go on ? he has in one move wiped out the potenital of about 1,500 fans going to the meeting. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Track reserves <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not even as reserves. and as already quoted (and i asked JC this question myself the other day), the only way to try and guarantee getting the top riders there is to not have the meeting at a weekend. if it's at a weekend, you will see a very half hearted effort by some riders at being available, and then what misses out? answer, the sport. if it's on a thursday, there are less excuses the riders can use. ok fair enough, but what track will you get that will be able to satisfy the needs for supporters from EVERY EL club? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You know what Steve, I used to think the same. By pandering to every whim of the riders it's the fan that is missing out. There will be a lot of people that would like to go, but can't get there on a week night. And apparently we can't move it to the fans preferred weekend because some of the riders can't be bothered to represent the clubs over here. If they can't be bothered to show I'd rather see the EL middle order riders that want to ride for their club, and might show the fans enough respect to actually turn up. As for not having an excuse for a Thursday, well I'm not so sure. It would be easy to claim an injury from Sweden on the Tue, can't get a flight back, or a mystery illness. The fact is that if a rider doesn't want to ride in the ELRC he won't, and it doesn't matter when you schedule it. Point taken about Sheffield and fiasco, and the fiasco at Poole, for the Sheffield part I hope lessons will be learnt about that one.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> That was a long time ago now, and I'm sure most fans recognise that it could have hapened anywhere. Every track in the country has made a complete balls up at one time or another. It was just unfortunate for Sheffield that it was so high profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 (edited) I said my preference would be that it is run at the weekend. In fact if you go back i only questioned the Thursday running, i didn't mention the weekend, but that would have have been my preference. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> my preference is that speedway wouldn't be in the rubbish it is in now when it comes to 'big' meetings being run in the UK. my preference is that we would still have Hyde Road Belle Vue where we had fantastic BLRC's with thousands attending and a line-up better than the world final. my preference is that Coventry still had the British Final and the meeting actually meant something to the competitors. my preference is that the Div 2 riders final was still at Wimbledon and being supported by thousands. i could go on more with what i have as a preference, unfortunately people have to work with what we have ... either support that, or we won't even get the chance to go to any 'big' meeting in the UK in the future, whether it be weekend or during the week. Edited February 5, 2007 by stevehone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjm Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 (edited) Really? Okay the quote below doesn't specifically say you'd prefer the weekend but what is so 'shocking' about Sheffield on a Thurday night, if not that it isn't Poole on a Sunday afternoon?! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Again i will ask where i said it should be a Sunday afternoon , and now you mention Poole, god i am not defending them but some fans really are bitter about Poole, not every thing speedway relates to them you know. Like i posted Sheffield on a Thursday nigh isn't suitable for most fans, it is more Northerly than every EL track would in to be correct in saying that , in what way is that accommodating to EL fans ?. By the way in case you are wondering i am a Berwick and Speedway fan , so i have no allegiance to an EL club , i just think this event location wise has been poorly thought out. Edited February 5, 2007 by wjm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjm Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 (edited) my preference is that speedway wouldn't be in the rubbish it is in now when it comes to 'big' meetings being run in the UK. my preference is that we would still have Hyde Road Belle Vue where we had fantastic BLRC's with thousands attending and a line-up better than the world final. my preference is that Coventry still had the British Final and the meeting actually meant something to the competitors. my preference is that the Div 2 riders final was still at Wimbledon and being supported by thousands. i could go on more with what i have as a preference, unfortunately people have to work with what we have ... either support that, or we won't even get the chance to go to any 'big' meeting in the UK in the future, whether it be weekend or during the week. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yet again they things have been and gone , they are not there or dont work for a reason , work should be done to improve them like i say , i dont think the " Super7even seris " is what will. Edited February 5, 2007 by wjm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupus Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Like i posted Sheffield on a Thursday nigh isn't suitable for most fans, it is more Northerly than every EL track would in to be correct in saying that , in what way is that accommodating to EL fans ?. It may be more 'northerly' but is it really more difficult to do? It's certainly easier than Poole (where it was last year? ) for Wolves fans, BV fans, Coventry fans, P'boro fans. Also both Ipswich and Arena fans can get there without touching the dreaded M25! So realistically it's only 'worse' for Poole, Swindon, Reading, Oxford and Eastbourne fans! As it's been 'darn sarf' for several years now isn't about time the southern fans had to travel more than the rest of us? To be honest I haven't been to an ELRC for several years as it has been too difficult for me to get to and, more importantly, get home at a reasonable hour.....so some of the more 'southern' fans have this inconvinience for once - big deal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 my preference is that speedway wouldn't be in the rubbish it is in now when it comes to 'big' meetings being run in the UK. my preference is that we would still have Hyde Road Belle Vue where we had fantastic BLRC's with thousands attending and a line-up better than the world final. my preference is that Coventry still had the British Final and the meeting actually meant something to the competitors. my preference is that the Div 2 riders final was still at Wimbledon and being supported by thousands. i could go on more with what i have as a preference, unfortunately people have to work with what we have ... either support that, or we won't even get the chance to go to any 'big' meeting in the UK in the future, whether it be weekend or during the week. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If only. My opinion on this is that if you really want to go you will. No matter what night of the week it is. People have plenty of time to arrange accomodation time off work etc. I don't see what the problem is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupus Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 My opinion on this is that if you really want to go you will. No matter what night of the week it is. People have plenty of time to arrange accomodation time off work etc. I don't see what the problem is. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> PRECISELY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjm Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 It may be more 'northerly' but is it really more difficult to do? It's certainly easier than Poole (where it was last year? ) for Wolves fans, BV fans, Coventry fans, P'boro fans. Also both Ipswich and Arena fans can get there without touching the dreaded M25! So realistically it's only 'worse' for Poole, Swindon, Reading, Oxford and Eastbourne fans! As it's been 'darn sarf' for several years now isn't about time the southern fans had to travel more than the rest of us? To be honest I haven't been to an ELRC for several years as it has been too difficult for me to get to and, more importantly, get home at a reasonable hour.....so some of the more 'southern' fans have this inconvinience for once - big deal! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes that's exactly what i am saying, it is not catering for all EL tracks. ! Still good to see you found my weekend quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupus Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 (edited) Okay so WHERE are you suggesting is better....bearing in mind they are trying to find a 'neutral' venue? Still good to see you found my weekend quote. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sorry, I thought you'd answered this yourself....as 'preferred' obviously means something different where you come from! Edited February 5, 2007 by lupus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Sheffield is the perfect venue for the ELRC. One of the best tracks in the county (currently being wasted on PL riders). One of the best stadiums in the country to hold Speedway. Neutral venue. You can't knock it. Thursday night may cause problems for people and effect the crowd, but at least it will presumably be a proper meeting with the proper riders. Isn't that the idea? Yes, it's difficult for Swindon supporters, but I've checked my calender, and it looks like I'll be working in Sheffield that day, so it's easier for me! Hell, I might even make the effort to go and watch! Be great to see some top quality riders giving Owlerton a proper test, and presumably see Steady going round there again - one of the finest sights in the sport. There can be no denying the ELRC has lost its importance compared to what it once was, though. If they do get full a strength field for the meeting then, at the end of the day, it's down to the fans how significant it it. If the stadium is packed, I'm sure the riders will be a lot more likely to feel its importance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjm Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Okay so WHERE are you suggesting is better....bearing in mind they are trying to find a 'neutral' venue? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Birmingham eventually will be ideal , but for the moment and time Kings Lynn seems logical distance wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 My opinion on this is that if you really want to go you will. No matter what night of the week it is. People have plenty of time to arrange accomodation time off work etc. I don't see what the problem is. Agreed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Birmingham eventually will be ideal , but for the moment and time Kings Lynn seems logical distance wise. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> On a weeknight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Birmingham eventually will be ideal , but for the moment and time Kings Lynn seems logical distance wise. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> King's Lynn? Are you serious? Okay, it's a great track, but they haven't even invented motorways in that part of the country yet. How can that be easier to get to than Sheffield? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjm Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 King's Lynn? Are you serious? Okay, it's a great track, but they haven't even invented motorways in that part of the country yet. How can that be easier to get to than Sheffield? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Is just an opinion like i have said , seems if fans are going to it they wont have any problems getting there for the pairs either then , so i guess every one is happy with it there for that or we going to get contradictory statements now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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