New Points System For Gp 2007

[Subedei]

I don't pretend to undersand your personal grudge with Nicholls but by your own assertion yes it could. It would be worse if he were not around. As for the begging bowl, I hardly think that applies. As the best we have (whether you like it or not) if BSI have wild cards to allocate then only a very unambitious rider would turn it down, and whatever Nicholls may lack it is not ambition. I personally feel that it would be better if all the GP riders had qualified for the event but this is the kind of thing that happens when the ruling bodies sell the top events to commercial enterprises. Tough luck. We are stuck with it. And it aint Scott Nicholls' fault!

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I have no personal grudge against the serial failure.

Please provide proof of this ambition you claim Nicholls has? He had two chances to qualify for the 2007 GPs. The first chance, via the qualifiers he disregarded as - presumably - being below his princely status as global superstar and national hero. The second chance was via his final place in the GP standings. And for the third season running, the ambitious Nicholls wasn't good enough. What made it worse were his brave, bold comments after the British final. He scoffed at the qualifiers and declared that if he couldn't qualify through the GPs it would be proof that he didn't deserve to be there. So why is this serial failure still around in 2007? He, metaphorically, got down on his hands and knees with his cap and begged. And the FIM and their pimp BSI threw a few coppers in his hat and let him stay. They even changed the rules to try and help him out.

Will it work?

Well, according to the golem Olsen - still the meanest of the mean - this is the strongest line up ever for the GPs and that's not good news for Nicholls. But he'll get down on his hands and knees again, if he fails, and the coppers will appear in his hat again and he'll be around in 2008, bringing untold shame upon a once proud speedway nation.

[Beeone]

I have no personal grudge against the serial failure.

Please provide proof of this ambition you claim Nicholls has? He had two chances to qualify for the 2007 GPs. The first chance, via the qualifiers he disregarded as - presumably - being below his princely status as global superstar and national hero. The second chance was via his final place in the GP standings. And for the third season running, the ambitious Nicholls wasn't good enough. What made it worse were his brave, bold comments after the British final. He scoffed at the qualifiers and declared that if he couldn't qualify through the GPs it would be proof that he didn't deserve to be there. So why is this serial failure still around in 2007? He, metaphorically, got down on his hands and knees with his cap and begged. And the FIM and their pimp BSI threw a few coppers in his hat and let him stay. They even changed the rules to try and help him out.

Will it work?

Well, according to the golem Olsen - still the meanest of the mean - this is the strongest line up ever for the GPs and that's not good news for Nicholls. But he'll get down on his hands and knees again, if he fails, and the coppers will appear in his hat again and he'll be around in 2008, bringing untold shame upon a once proud speedway nation.

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No personal gripes at all?

Are you absolutely sure?

[Subedei]

No personal gripes at all?

Are you absolutely sure?

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I'm positive.

At the minute the "ambitious" Nicholls lives in a comfort zone - he doesn't need to bother qualifying, with the result that he fails miserably. He needs to prove his worth, just as Andersen did last season. Giving charity to Nicholls year-on-year is doing him no good at all.

Edited January 21, 2007 by Subedei

[Beeone]

I'm positive.

At the minute the "ambitious" Nicholls lives in a comfort zone - he doesn't need to bother qualifying, with the result that he fails miserably. He needs to prove his worth, just as Andersen did last season. Giving charity to Nicholls year-on-year is doing him no good at all.

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Possibly not but if he had no ambition, surely he would turn doen the wild card. I said earlier that personally I feel that all the riders should have to qualify. The problem I have with your argument is the "begging bowl" thing. It is simply not possible for a rider to beg for a place, the problem is simply that it is currently within BSI's remit to award places. I agree that this is far from ideal, but a rider would have to be pretty stupid to turn the chance if it is offered.

[barrow boy]

I have no personal grudge against the serial failure.

Please provide proof of this ambition you claim Nicholls has? He had two chances to qualify for the 2007 GPs. The first chance, via the qualifiers he disregarded as - presumably - being below his princely status as global superstar and national hero. The second chance was via his final place in the GP standings. And for the third season running, the ambitious Nicholls wasn't good enough. What made it worse were his brave, bold comments after the British final. He scoffed at the qualifiers and declared that if he couldn't qualify through the GPs it would be proof that he didn't deserve to be there. So why is this serial failure still around in 2007? He, metaphorically, got down on his hands and knees with his cap and begged. And the FIM and their pimp BSI threw a few coppers in his hat and let him stay. They even changed the rules to try and help him out.

Will it work?

Well, according to the golem Olsen - still the meanest of the mean - this is the strongest line up ever for the GPs and that's not good news for Nicholls. But he'll get down on his hands and knees again, if he fails, and the coppers will appear in his hat again and he'll be around in 2008, bringing untold shame upon a once proud speedway nation.

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Most of what you feel is true but I'm not sure about the begging bowl bit. You are correct though in saying what he said and the bit about his indifference to trying to qualify by right.

[Subedei]

Possibly not but if he had no ambition, surely he would turn doen the wild card. I said earlier that personally I feel that all the riders should have to qualify. The problem I have with your argument is the "begging bowl" thing. It is simply not possible for a rider to beg for a place, the problem is simply that it is currently within BSI's remit to award places. I agree that this is far from ideal, but a rider would have to be pretty stupid to turn the chance if it is offered.

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Incorrect. If he had ambition, real ambition, he'd accept that he failed, refuse the charity nomination and set a target of proving that he's worthy of a place on merit. Being left out of the GPs did Andersen no harm and - truth be told - a power of good. But that's a dangerous game to play and Nicholls isn't a gambling type. His lack of ambition is proved by constantly seeking and accepting charity. He tried the brave, bold words last year, but couldn't back them up.

[barrow boy]

Well I will be at five GP's hopefully, and if Scott tries as hard as normal I will be more than happy. As for rule changes most sports regularly change their rules. I have said before that I preferred the one off World Championship, but the GP series is very special and a great boost to the sport.

 

I do wish that the old qualifying round system could be bought back so that every rider could have a change to join the GP's.

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Bring back the GP Challenge I say where GP non qualifiers race off against the best from a GP Challenge qualifying competion with the top 7 or 8 going into the GP's. Not sure if I like the wild card entry either.

[sjw ministerofport]

(barrow boy@ Jan 21 12:22 pm)

Bring back the GP Challenge I say where GP non qualifiers race off against the best from a GP Challenge qualifying competion with the top 7 or 8 going into the GP's. Not sure if I like the wild card entry either.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would like to see no automatic qualification for the GP series, but that will never happen.

The BSI is running a great series, and they want the top speedway nation’s best riders for the maximum audience. We all know if they fail to sell the series, sponsors will disappear and World speedway would suffer greatly. There are many international riders who are good enough to fit into the series, PK to mention one, but even these riders benefit somewhat from the overall revenue bought into the sport by the BSI

[Beeone]

Incorrect. If he had ambition, real ambition, he'd accept that he failed, refuse the charity nomination and set a target of proving that he's worthy of a place on merit. Being left out of the GPs did Andersen no harm and - truth be told - a power of good. But that's a dangerous game to play and Nicholls isn't a gambling type. His lack of ambition is proved by constantly seeking and accepting charity. He tried the brave, bold words last year, but couldn't back them up.

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Do you seriously think though that Andersen or any of the other riders who lost out would have turned down a wild card entry last year if it had been offered,of course not . As I said you'd have to be stupid to do it.

[Subedei]

Do you seriously think though that Andersen or any of the other riders who lost out would have turned down a wild card entry last year if it had been offered,of course not . As I said you'd have to be stupid to do it.

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You'd be pretty stupid to dismiss the qualification rounds and say that if you couldn't qualify via your standing in the GPs then you didn't deserve to be there. Remind me, which "ambitious" national hero is guilty of the above? Nicholls is over-rated and shames the GPs and the sport with his begging.

[Biddows]

I'd like to think, Sub, that given the opportunity, you would be kind enough to explain all this to Scott. I'd hate to think that all this passion you have on the subject is going to waste on us. I'm sure he'd value your input. Maybe some kind, well-connected soul will be able to get you in touch. After all, you value honesty and integrity so highly that it would be wrong not to explain to him just exactly how you feel.

[Subedei]

I'd like to think, Sub, that given the opportunity, you would be kind enough to explain all this to Scott. I'd hate to think that all this passion you have on the subject is going to waste on us. I'm sure he'd value your input. Maybe some kind, well-connected soul will be able to get you in touch. After all, you value honesty and integrity so highly that it would be wrong not to explain to him just exactly how you feel. 

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I've no problem with that at all. What do you think is likely to happen Biddows? Do you think Nicholls will try and push me about like he did Ian Thomas?

[Biddows]

I've no problem with that at all. What do you think is likely to happen Biddows? Do you think Nicholls will try and push me about like he did Ian Thomas?

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He may do, but then he may not. I wouldn't know, as I'm not personally acquainted with the man. If he does, just promise me that you won't make the same fuss over nothing that Ian Thomas did.

 

I was just interested to see if you would put your money where your mouth is, so to speak.

[Guest Schumi]

I'd like to think, Sub, that given the opportunity, you would be kind enough to explain all this to Scott.

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Can't believe I'm getting involved but Biddows you should know that Subedei is relentless and this thread will end up going the way of several others. We can all argue whether Scott should be included in the GPS or not (and I personally think he should) but Scott himself said this:

 

You'd be pretty stupid to dismiss the qualification rounds and say that if you couldn't qualify via your standing in the GPs then you didn't deserve to be there. Remind me, which "ambitious" national hero is guilty of the above?

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If you or I made a public statement like that then seemingly went back on our word, people would ask questions. Perhaps next year he won't be so rash.

I was just interested to see if you would put your money where your mouth is, so to speak.

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Hasn't this been done on the Arena forum?

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[Biddows]

Can't believe I'm getting involved but Biddows you should know that Subedei is relentless and this thread will end up going the way of several others.

 

Yes, I am familiar with Sub's record, but this isn't a case of ignore him and he'll go away. It never works like that with Sub.

 

Hasn't this been done on the Arena forum?

 

I believe that Sub chickened out on Ballboy's wager on a mere technicality. I don't see why, though, since the only people that were going to benefit were a charity.

[Subedei]

(and I personally think he should)

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Excuse me?

[Guest Schumi]

Yes, I am familiar with Sub's record, but this isn't a case of ignore him and he'll go away. It never works like that with Sub.

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Yes it does. If you don't post he has nothing to argue against.

 

I believe that Sub chickened out on Ballboy's wager on a mere technicality.

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I wouldn't call changing the rules a technicality, but this isn't the place for that particular discussion.

 

Excuse me?

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You're excused. Unless you start on about New Jerusalems and Welsh Gulag. I've already told you my reasons for that - attendance figures and the British element, although admittedly any other Brit would have done that, but Nicholls is currently the best of them, unfortunately.

[Biddows]

Yes it does. If you don't post he has nothing to argue against.

 

Point taken. The whole thing is made worse by the fact that I'm just playing devil's advocate... I don't give a badger's testicle if Scott is in the GPs in 2008 or not; I just want the SGP to be an entertaining product. I was just keen to stress that issues like this aren't merely black or white, there are often shades of grey. OK, I'll let it rest. I feel guilty for having taken this thread off-topic at any rate.

[Guest Schumi]

I don't give a badger's testicle if Scott is in the GPs in 2008 or not;

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Frankly nor do I. I should have put a smilie on my post so you didn't take it the wrong way though.

 

Edit: I don't blame you for playing Devil's advocate. I do it all the time.

Edited January 21, 2007 by Schumi

[Subedei]

Yes, I am familiar with Sub's record, but this isn't a case of ignore him and he'll go away. It never works like that with Sub.

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I'm right.

 

I believe that Sub chickened out on Ballboy's wager on a mere technicality. I don't see why, though, since the only people that were going to benefit were a charity.

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I certainly didn't "chicken out" on the wager. An unbalanced wager was proposed and I merely proposed balancing measures, such as (and you see I had the idea all along that they'd change the scoring to help the serial failure out) a change to the scoring.

As for charity, the biggest charity in speedway at the minute is Scott Nicholls.