SPEEDY69 Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 You don't say? Of course the hope is that you'll see a change in who qualifies for 2008. That's the whole purpose - to try and make things easier for the pauper prince. It's shameful. More charity coming the way of Nicholls. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Having a quick look at last years scores, TG scored 40 points across 7 meetings and 54 points in 3 meetings. BP scored 64 pts across 9 meetings and 18 in 1. SN scored 63 pts across 8 meetings and 20 in 1. Under the new scoring system, the final points table should reflect much more closely the riders' position according to their average score, in the same way that league averages rank riders now. This show that some significant changes could occur but I stand by my point that it rewards riders who score well across the whole series in each and every race. This is how the league averages are worked out (not just on heat 15 results for example). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biddows Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 You don't say? Of course the hope is that you'll see a change in who qualifies for 2008. That's the whole purpose - to try and make things easier for the pauper prince. It's shameful. More charity coming the way of Nicholls. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You know what, I can see it now. Every year at the BSI Christmas party, Scott puts in a show and spends most of the night bent over a table, "booking his place in the next series." The new points system, despite it's problems, has been introduced so that there is less emphasis put on the final, and more on consistency throughout the meeting. If anything, the only reason there are still semi-finals and a final are for the benefit of the spectators, so that there's a strong climax to the meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 According to the new scoring system last year would have looked like: Crump: 1 - 188 pts; 1 - 164 pts Hancock: 2 - 144; 2 - 141 Nicki P.: 3 - 134; 3 - 126 Jonsson: 4 - 119; 4 - 105 Adams: 5 - 106; 5 - 103 Andersen: 6 - 101; 7 - 91 Zagar: 7 - 97; 6 - 91 Gollob: 8 - 94; 8 - 86 Hampel: 9 - 91; 12 - 75 Lindback: 10 - 89; 10 - 80 Nicholls: 11 - 83; 9 - 81 Bjarne P.: 12 - 82; 11 - 79 Wasn't me who counted this, just found it on another forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 I just hope Subedei doesn't see that 'cos by my reckoning that makes Scott Nicholls further down than he actually finished in 2006. Yet more ammunition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 I just hope Subedei doesn't see that 'cos by my reckoning that makes Scott Nicholls further down than he actually finished in 2006. Yet more ammunition. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No Gem, it actually moves Nicholls two places up in the rankings - the ol' mongol will have a theory nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DartfordHammer Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 No Gem, it actually moves Nicholls two places up in the rankings - the ol' mongol will have a theory nonetheless. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He still doesn't qualify outright, so Sub doesn't have to do much work to change his theory. Interesting to note that the Top 8 would be exactly the same, with only positions 6 and 7 swapping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Actually, Scott would be 8th, as Hans Andersen doesnt count. So he would have qualified. Not bad when you consider he missed a GP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 No Gem, it actually moves Nicholls two places up in the rankings - the ol' mongol will have a theory nonetheless. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Give me just a little more time. Actually, Scott would be 8th, as Hans Andersen doesnt count. So he would have qualified. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But he didn't, again. Again the "pride" of British speedway was down on his hands and knees with his begging bowl and again BSI took pity on the pauper prince. I doubt it'll be any different this coming season, except that Nicholls probably won't come out with his brave words after the British final. The rest of the field will appreciate what the changes mean and will be going all out in the qualifying rounds. According to reports, the golem Olsen believes 2007 to be the strongest field ever assembled for the GPs. That's not good news for the serial failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Give me just a little more time. But he didn't, again. Again the "pride" of British speedway was down on his hands and knees with his begging bowl and again BSI took pity on the pauper prince. I doubt it'll be any different this coming season, except that Nicholls probably won't come out with his brave words after the British final. The rest of the field will appreciate what the changes mean and will be going all out in the qualifying rounds. According to reports, the golem Olsen believes 2007 to be the strongest field ever assembled for the GPs. That's not good news for the serial failure. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> They obviously feel that GB must have at least 2 riders in the competition and with Scott Nicholls being our national champion and provided he remains competitive he will always get a place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 They obviously feel that GB must have at least 2 riders in the competition and with Scott Nicholls being our national champion and provided he remains competitive he will always get a place. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And you're proud of that, are you? Britain's last GP win was way back in 2000. Does that make your chest swell with pride? Can British speedway sink any lower? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 (edited) No Gem, it actually moves Nicholls two places up in the rankings - the ol' mongol will have a theory nonetheless. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ....Oh well. Statistics never was my good point. I thought he finished in 9th place last season. Serves me right for chucking out all my Speedway Stars so I couldn't check. Can British speedway sink any lower? Oh I'm sure it can. Just keep watching. Nicholls has reached his peak now and there is no-one else on his level or likely to be for a few years. Edited January 18, 2007 by Gemini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biddows Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 Just read Ole Olsen's full statement on SpeedwayWorld.tv and the changes seem very conflicting. For starters he says that the new system will reward riders for scoring well in every race, but then he announces that gate pick for the final will be decided on finishing positions in the semis, rather than on points scored throughout the meeting. Surely this is just rewarding riders for doing well in that one race, and not across the whole meeting. I'm a little bit confused by this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 And you're proud of that, are you? Britain's last GP win was way back in 2000. Does that make your chest swell with pride? Can British speedway sink any lower? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nothing to do with being proud. I just expressed an opinion as to why he keeps getting back in. Doesn't matter to me whether he does or doesn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Doesn't matter to me whether he does or doesn't <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It should matter to you. Or don't you want decency and integrity in the sport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essaitch Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 It should matter to you. Or don't you want decency and integrity in the sport? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Name me a professional sport with it? One where money, marketing and Television don't over ride all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 It should matter to you. Or don't you want decency and integrity in the sport? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I said it doesn't matter to me whether or not he (SN) is invited or not. He is just one of many that has got in without qualifying. As I said he is our national champion so why shouldn't he be asked to fill one of the wild card places if it is allocated to GB. I like GB riders to do well but I also appreciate anyone who entertains and does his best wherever they come from. For this reason it would therefore be best if all 16 GP places be filled by riders who all qualify even if it means there are no riders from GB but as long as the rules are as they are then why not let the GB title holder compete. I don't know about integrity though. Do the words Speedway and Integrity belong in the same sentence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeone Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 You have to shake your head at such folly! Yet another stupid Speedway situation i have to vainly attempt to explain, and justify, to the cynical massive <{POST_SNAPBACK}> At first glance (I saw the new format on Bomber's website a few days ago) I thought this was a reasonable enough idea. It always struck me as slightly odd that having made a semi final you made the final or nothing. Awarding points for the semi seems fair enough but how can you remove the (bonus if you like) championship points. The winner must surely emerge as the highest points scorer, or there is no point. I spend half my life defending the sport and this can only make that even harder. Mind you the not compared to the fact that having jokers in the world cup is "Oh you mean like it's a knockout!" difficult to justify when you want people to take your sport seriously! We should never be surprised by what they dream up!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeone Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 And you're proud of that, are you? Britain's last GP win was way back in 2000. Does that make your chest swell with pride? Can British speedway sink any lower? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't pretend to undersand your personal grudge with Nicholls but by your own assertion yes it could. It would be worse if he were not around. As for the begging bowl, I hardly think that applies. As the best we have (whether you like it or not) if BSI have wild cards to allocate then only a very unambitious rider would turn it down, and whatever Nicholls may lack it is not ambition. I personally feel that it would be better if all the GP riders had qualified for the event but this is the kind of thing that happens when the ruling bodies sell the top events to commercial enterprises. Tough luck. We are stuck with it. And it aint Scott Nicholls' fault! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 I don't pretend to undersand your personal grudge with Nicholls but by your own assertion yes it could. It would be worse if he were not around. As for the begging bowl, I hardly think that applies. As the best we have (whether you like it or not) if BSI have wild cards to allocate then only a very unambitious rider would turn it down, and whatever Nicholls may lack it is not ambition. I personally feel that it would be better if all the GP riders had qualified for the event but this is the kind of thing that happens when the ruling bodies sell the top events to commercial enterprises. Tough luck. We are stuck with it. And it aint Scott Nicholls' fault! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjw ministerofport Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Well I will be at five GP's hopefully, and if Scott tries as hard as normal I will be more than happy. As for rule changes most sports regularly change their rules. I have said before that I preferred the one off World Championship, but the GP series is very special and a great boost to the sport. I do wish that the old qualifying round system could be bought back so that every rider could have a change to join the GP's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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