New Points System For Gp 2007

[frigbo]

You have to shake your head at such folly!

 

 

Yet another stupid Speedway situation i have to vainly attempt to explain, and justify, to the cynical massive

Edited January 13, 2007 by frigbo

[witches forever]

This points scoring system rewards consistancy not just luck of the gate pick. My only grevance is that the guys finishing last in the semis and in the final get zero my take on it would be the final points would in the region of 8,7,6,5 and 4,3,2,1 for the semis. The only other way of doing this would be the points you gain from quailfing go towards your final score and the semis and final are to seperate events with big money going to the winner.

Terry

[J_D]

The only thing they needed to change was giving apoint for a 3rd place in the semi.

 

A rider who maybe went through the meeting with a 15 point max and finishes 3rd in the semi, deserves an extra point. This would mean he would score the same as finishing last in the Grand Final.

 

The Grand finalists should always score the most points as they got to the final.

 

Scoring should be:

 

Grand Final

1st 25

2nd 20

3rd 18

4th 16

 

3rd in semi heat score + 1

4th in semi heat score only.

[Subedei]

What makes you think that.

 

Its an obsession and getting very tedious

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Almost as tedious as Nicholls' imunity from the harsh reality of having to actually qualify for the GPs, but not quite.

 

What has this to do with Nicholls?

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Everything.

 

In the meantime I find it's best not to encourage him

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Please explain.

 

Give over

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I wish Nicholls would give over begging.

This is just a pathetic attempt by BSI to improve Nicholls' chances of qualifying by right. I wonder if he'll be in the qualification tournament this coming season? I doubt it - beneath his princely status. I hope this attempt fails and that once again I get to watch the terminally deluded justify the unjustifiable - it's such fun.

[sjw ministerofport]

All the different point systems seem to have flaws, and you guys seem to be knowledgeable enough to spot them. The problem is finding the best and fairest method of finding a World Champion, and selecting riders to be seeded through for the next year.

I don't think that any rider should be seeded through not even the World Champion, saying that I don't for one minute expect things to change.

The main problem for me watching GP's is that the only race a rider has to win is the final.

I want to see every race winner rewarded, I don't want to see second place will do. Luckily most riders do have the win mentality burned into their brain.

 

So my idea would be to leave the points system how it is if you like but reward race winners over the series with seeded places.

 

One heat win = one qualification point

One semi final win=two qualification points

One final win = three qualification points

 

What problems would this cause do you think

[Kev78]

Another embarrasment for speedway!! Unbelievable that the authorities have come up with a rule whereby the 'winner' of a gp will not necessarily score the most points for that round!

[Gemini]

I wish Nicholls would give over begging.

Sub. I do wish you would give over as well as your continual sniping at Nicholls is really boring and repetitive. We all know your feelings so you have no need to keep telling us at every opportunity.

I very much doubt if Scott has done any begging to get in the 2007 G.P's as it's not his decision who is in and who is out. So he is in - hard cheese for you but good for all the British fans who will enjoy seeing him in the G.P's this year.

Edited January 13, 2007 by Gemini

[Subedei]

I wish Nicholls would give over begging.

Sub. I do wish you would give over as well as your continual sniping at Nicholls is really boring and repetitive. We all know your feelings so you have no need to keep telling us at every opportunity.

I very much doubt if Scott has done any begging to get in the 2007 G.P's as it's not his decision who is in and who is out. So he is in - hard cheese for you but good for all the British fans who will enjoy seeing him in the G.P's this year.

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When a Nicholls failure results in his elimination, I shall, as you say, "give over".

[Hazzman]

After looking at the idea seriously, why should semi-finalists who qualify for the final get additional points?

 

The only change should of been if you qualify for the semi-finals, if you come 3rd or 4th you get 2 and 1 point additionally. Simple, not rocket science.

[Biddows]

I'm not really sure why BSI and the FIM insist in introducing systems that are, at best, just going to confuse new and existing fans. What's wrong with having a fixed points system, with maybe A-D finals, and points awarded respectively? I hope that one day the authorities realise that quite often, simple is better.

 

As for the Nicholls debate, yes Sub, we all know your opinions. You've made very sure that we do. But last time I checked, this thread was about the points scoring system that will affect all riders, not just one. So perhaps you, and that sizeable chip on your shoulder, should find another thread to litter with your anti-Nicholls diatribes.

[Subedei]

I seek only integrity, honour and justice.

[Biddows]

I seek only integrity, honour and justice.

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Three words you use so often that they've lost all meaning. It's almost become your fall-back response. I acknowledge that you are unimpressed with Nicholls' displays in the GPs, and moreover his constant re-nomination, but to suggest that he repeatedly appeals to BSI and the FIM for re-entry is a long way wide of the mark, since no rider has any say in the matter. Nicholls has the misfortune of being the best British candidate in a matter dominated largely by politics and television ratings. As such, maybe your passion should be fuelled in the direction of the selectors and the politics of the sport, rather than at a person who has little say in the matter.

 

Yes, perhaps Scott is not at a standard to compete for top honours, but no more is he the worst in the field. He may not have qualified by right for the upcoming series, but there is definitely a strong argument for him being retained, as he missed one Grand Prix in which he could have scored sufficient points. He was, after all, not far away from the top eight by the end of the season, and was as high as sixth at the time of his injury. Yes, OK, these are all ifs, buts and maybes, but I would consider it to be a valid argument nonetheless. Oh, and before you suggest that Hans Andersen managed to finish in the top eight with half the number of GPs, I recognise that Hans is a better rider than Scott, and could easily compete for a top two position next season, but that in no way detracts from the fact that Scott is capable of competing for the 6-10th place bracket. After all, this is a competition for the top 15 riders in the world, not just the top eight, and I would certainly include Nicholls in that number.

[Subedei]

After all, this is a competition for the top 15 riders in the world, not just the top eight, and I would certainly include Nicholls in that number.

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And Harris? Are you deluded enough to believe Harris is one of the top fifteen riders in the world?

[DanTheMan]

another stupid new idea to make our sport a laughing stock

[Biddows]

And Harris? Are you deluded enough to believe Harris is one of the top fifteen riders in the world?

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I don't believe I ever mentioned Harris. But then you seem to read what you want to read. And I take issue with the suggestion that I am deluded. It is typical of your outright arrogance to believe that you alone are right, and everyone else is living in some kind of daydream. I have acknowledged your opposition to Nicholls' selection, and can even see the process of logic behind your objections. I now implore you to show me the same kind of courtesy, as I assure you, my reasoning is just as thorough as yours.

 

Oh and, for the record, I think that Harris has a lot to offer the GP series. I put his inclusion on a par with that of Lindback in 2005.

Edited January 13, 2007 by Biddows

[Mateusz]

Wouldn't be original saying the new system is just idiotic.

[Subedei]

I don't believe I ever mentioned Harris. But then you seem to read what you want to read. And I take issue with the suggestion that I am deluded. It is typical of your outright arrogance to believe that you alone are right, and everyone else is living in some kind of daydream. I have acknowledged your opposition to Nicholls' selection, and can even see the process of logic behind your objections. I now implore you to show me the same kind of courtesy, as I assure you, my reasoning is just as thorough as yours.

 

Oh and, for the record, I think that Harris has a lot to offer the GP series. I put his inclusion on a par with that of Lindback in 2005.

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I fear that your reasoning is unreasonable and fatally flawed.

In your original post you say that the GPs are for the "best fifteen riders in the world" and use this, incorrectly in my view, to justify Nicholls' inclusion. But where does that leave Harris, who not even the broadest of imaginations could consider to be remotely near the top fifteen in the world.

[Guest Schumi]

...and that's what I mean about people encouraging you.

[Rob B]

To be honest I never saw the problem with the first GP system where they had the 20 heats Then split into D, C, B and A finals.

 

Or why not use the system they are using in the Australian Championship, 20 heats then B and A finals and then points get allocated down as per position, at least then the lowest a rider could come from to winning the GP would be 4th rather then 8th.

[Biddows]

I fear that your reasoning is unreasonable and fatally flawed.

 

That, my friend, is a fear that you shall just have to come to terms with in your own time. I would personally place Nicholls in the top fifteen in the world, whether you agree or not, so that in that point I feel my logic is sound. As far as Harris is concerned, I'll concede that he is not amongst the top fifteen in the world. (What I must clarify here is that I am admitting fallibility in one of my arguments - something that you do well to consider with your own misguided notions. But then, you're never wrong, are you? ) Nonetheless, something I'm sure we can both agree on is that the GPs are being largely driven by politics and not the facts - I assure you that even <i>I</i> am not so deluded that I would think otherwise. So Harris' inclusion can be explained away with political reasons. However, I strongly believe that he will contribute a lot to the series, as he is a very entertaining rider and will not be as far out of his depth as you might suggest. He may not - and probably won't - finish in the top eight in his first season, but he won't disgrace himself either: something you might do well to acknowledge. The fact is, since only eight riders qualify by right, seven riders will miss out. Do you honestly believe that all seven should be dropped the following season? If you do, then maybe you should be directing your complaints not to me, but to the BSI. I'm sure someone of your vast intelligence would be able to locate their address.