iris123 Posted April 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 Result from the latest U21 round(South)Neustadt/Donau R.Speiser F.Facher C.Demmel M.Dachs Full details here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 (edited) Results from Bundesliga,Brokstedt Güstrow 38 D.Rath (2,1,1,13)8 S.Mell (1,3,2,3)9 R.Haupt (1,2,3,2)8 P.Hougaard (3,3,1,2,1)10 S.Malyschev (0,0)0 E.Pudel(3,3,3)3 Neuenknick 34 M.Bartz (2,1,0)3 T.Busch (1,0,2,e.f,1)4 M.Nowaczyk(?) (3,3,2,2,3)13 K.Wölbert (3,3,3,1,3)13 R.Swoboda (0,0) P.Döllmann (1,1,1,f)1 Brokstedt 31 S.Katt (2,1,2,2,0)7 N.Klindt (2,2,3,3,2)12 J.Tebbe (1,3,2,2)8 T.Kröger (Ex,0,1,1)2 M.Zywek (F,0) R.Stanek (2,2,2)2 Pfafenhoffen 22 M.Dilger (2,1,0,3,1)7 C.Demmel (0,1,1,0)2 R.Weis (0,0,0,2)2 L.Szatmari (3,2,3,3,F.x)11 F.Winkelhofer (Ex,0)0 R.Weber (f)0 Riders in red are U19 and points count 3-2-1-0 towards team totals A crowd of 4,000! Was told that when they held the WTC Final in the 90s they only got 4,500,so shows what a super crowd it was today.Sadly the racing wasn't too good.Patrick Hougaard had a couple of good races.Passing Katt on the last lap and then passing Kevin Wölbert on the line as Wolbert slowed up!Naturally i am biased,but i thought Kevin was the best rider.Just the one poor heat when beaten by very good Hungarian Szatmari + Hougaard.Lack of concentration at the end.The other riders to impress were naturally Nicolai Klindt and this Polish rider Marcin Nowaczyk(not sure of the spelling but he was in Poznan colours?Anyone know who) Was just a pity they nominated Kevin for the B Final as i was wanting to see him up against Nicolai for the second time But Nicolai is struggling still with his shoulder and was in the First Aid room for quite a bit before the meeting. Photos Edited May 1, 2007 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Schumi Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 Who's this Wolbert guy who seems to be doing so well lately then? You've never mentioned him before. And was Klindt one of the two riders to beat him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 Who's this Wolbert guy who seems to be doing so well lately then? You've never mentioned him before. And was Klindt one of the two riders to beat him? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> To answer the second bit .......no! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 (edited) Result from the Master of Speedway,Moorwinkelsdamm 1 J.Davidsson (3,3,2,2,5)15 2 M.Smolinski (2,3,3,2,4)14 3 F.Lindgren (3,2,3,3,e.f)11 4 M.Nowaczyk (2,3,1,1,3)10 5 T.Kroner (3,f,2,3,2)10 6 J.de Jong (2,2,3,1,f.x)8 7 T.Pijper (1,1,2,0)4 8 S.Katt (1,0,1,0)2 9 L.Lindgren (0,2,0)2 10 K.Wölbert (1,1,0)2 11D.Davidsson (0,1,0)1 12 J.Kristiansen (0,0,1)1 International Group B 1 T.Sørensen(Dk) 7 2 R.Stanek 5+3 3 H.Bos(Nl) 5+2 4 J.Pape 5+1 5 M.Stiekema(Nl) 4 6 D.Fabriek(Nl) 4 7 P.Linhart(Cz) 2 8 T.Kröger 2 9 R.v.Weele(Nl) 2 10 K.de Jong(Nl) 0 B-Lizenz 1 M.Bartz 9 2 R.Deddens 7 3 B.Borgers(Nl) 7 4 D.Möller 6 5 A.Ledwig 4 6 P.Swart(Nl) 2 7 C.Seliger 1 8 H.Koonstra(Nl) 0 Good meeting with some very close racing.Bloody cold though Very impressed with René Deddens.He fought hard as did Jonas Davidsson!Disappointed that a couple of advertised riders were not there.Damian Balinski jr was supposed to be in the Group B and David Howe was supposed to be in the main field.This is the third meeting i have been to here where David is advertised and then had to be replaced late.Maybe this a promoter problem(and we do have problems with promoters advertising riders who are not going to be there.Smoli has just had angry words with one promoter for that)or maybe David takes on bookings and drops out at the last minute.Not sure what the crowd was but not that many for such a good line-up.A fair few from the Netherlands though Photos Edited May 6, 2007 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 Results from Bundesliga,Pfaffenhofen.Taken from inspeed.de 1. Landshut 41 Pk Speiser 13 Hefenbrock 13 Kugelmann 6 Schützbach 6 Kurz 1 Kammermeier M 2 Güstrow 35 Pk Mell 8 Rath 6 Haupt 5 Malyshew 2 Hougaard 11 Pudel 3 Olching 26 Pk Smolinski 10 Kroner 10 Facher 0 Hans Jörg. Müller 4 Kapser 2 M. Helfer 0 Pfaffenhofen 24 Demmel 6 Schäfer 0 Weis 8 Dilger 4 M. Müller 5 Winkelhofer 1 And the opening meeting of the new Eurospeed Cup,Teterow Teterow 30 Daniel Pytel 2 3 2 3 ex 0- 10 Robert Baumann 0 0 2 3- 5 Enrico Janoschka 0 0 0- 0 Ricardo Herrmann 1 0 1 0- 2 Marcin Piekarsky 2 0 1 1- 4 Daniel Rath 2 0 1 2 3 1- 9 Tony Brosowski 0 0-0 Stralsund 60 Patrick Hougaard: 3 3 3 2 3- 14 Roberto Haupt: 1 2 2 1- 6 Dennis Wiencke 2 1 0 1 2- 6 Tobias Busch 3 2 3 3- 11 Grzegorz Klopot 1 1 1- 3 Mathias Schulz 3 3 3 2 3 2- 16 Kristian Droßmann 1 2 1- 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herman Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 apart from being team v team, I don't see any difference to the bundesliga riders wise.. therefore I don't believe the other league is going into a better direction.... rather than down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 apart from being team v team, I don't see any difference to the bundesliga riders wise.. therefore I don't believe the other league is going into a better direction.... rather than down <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I guess Teterow were not helped as originally they had named Wölbert,Hlib and Johansson in their side.Might have made it a more even contest if two or more of those had turned up.But this is part of the problem we have in Germany.It's either riders pulling out at the last minute.David Howe supposedly dropped out of the Master of Speedway meeting just before midnight friday.Or promoters are advertising riders who haven't even been contacted,as happened to Smoli recently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herman Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Oh well... just re-read all my posts again and gotta say sorry for writing my own country off (as they did with me, but that doesn't matter now) ... It's true that the Bundesliga has gone down a huge step this year, but I don't know the exact reasons. It's all hearsay and every club has its own problems whether it's money, "asset base" (juniors or own riders) or environmental problems. I'm not in a position anymore to give my two cents because I don't know what's going on in germany apart from a few meeting results on the net. I wish there'd be a solution to give speedway the popularity it deserves (in my opinion) but I just don't have a clue. I'm still impressed how big it is in england. And before anyone says different, compared to germany it IS big. I'm living in a small village with a little school. My host-family are not into speedway at all (but they know what it is). But little steven (I'm looking after him) told me that loads of his fellow students and mates are talking about the speedway on sky monday night, on tuesday in school... he only noticed since I was talking about it and watch it every monday.... So Speedway isn't off the map in england, and I only wish that Speedway in germany could be in that state.. cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Hey,your right to give your opinion Of course speedway isn't in a great state here compared with other countries.But Germany now has 3 riders in the Elite league.And getting established,not just making up the numbers.And i do think Kevin Wölbert is a great prospect.And must say René Deddens really impressed me at the weekend.Then the attendance at Brokstedt the other week(4,000)was also a great upswing.Just a few years ago it was half that.And the guys who promote the Night of Speedway and Wittstock are doing a great job in promoting speedway.There are some pluses amongst all the negatives.I agree though that the Bundesliga seems to get worse year-by-year.And like you i have heard reasons why this year they were stuck with such a low points limit and that is not good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herman Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 (edited) Hey,your right to give your opinion Of course speedway isn't in a great state here compared with other countries.But Germany now has 3 riders in the Elite league.And getting established,not just making up the numbers.And i do think Kevin Wölbert is a great prospect.And must say René Deddens really impressed me at the weekend.Then the attendance at Brokstedt the other week(4,000)was also a great upswing.Just a few years ago it was half that.And the guys who promote the Night of Speedway and Wittstock are doing a great job in promoting speedway.There are some pluses amongst all the negatives.I agree though that the Bundesliga seems to get worse year-by-year.And like you i have heard reasons why this year they were stuck with such a low points limit and that is not good <{POST_SNAPBACK}> and exactly THAT is what I mean.... there are people now who put loads of effort in putting speedway back on the map in germany, but what kind of speedway??. The individual (show-)meetings getting bigger and bigger and the "real" speedway is getting smaller and smaller.... now what's more important? speedway meetings or "show meetings on speedway bikes"?? sorry, I forgot wittstock which is great to see it back... what I mean is Neustadt, Schwerin, Kiel... anyways, I'd like to see speedway getting back to its best again in germany, but if it's not happening.. I'm in England now and over here the sport won't die in the next 10 years EDIT: to the riders you mentioned.. Yes, I do believe we have (had) loads of talented riders in germany and many of them could of made it in big style.. and those who are big now, are what they are because they were talented, but also lucky (sponsorships, opportunities)... And don't tell me it's not true... I've been through it myself, unfortunately I was on the wrong end.... But even though I never had a sponsorship or stuff like that, I tried... tried and failed, because a piece to complete the package was missing... And I'm certainly not the only one from germany.... to give you some names of riders who could have made it, cause they simply have/had the talent but got stuck without decent backup or other difficulties... Rene Schäfer (seems to get on better again, cause he's back from injury), Tim Brinckmann (a close friend of mine, a so-called "practise-world-champion"), Alexander Lieschke (retired for the same reason I did - money), Marco Müller (personally I believe he's very talented but I can't figure out why he hasn't made it yet), Michael Diener (haven't heard much about him since last year), Michael Hertrich (seems to get going again)... I probably forgot some riders but there's one very rider who has the backup, very talented and successful and that is Mathias Schultz... I just wish he gets his rearend to england soon, cause otherwise I can't see him being world class... I'm quite sure if he makes a move asap, he'll be flying.... Edited May 8, 2007 by herman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 (edited) Result of 2nd Eurospeed Cup meeting from inspeed.de Wolfslake 51 Rafal Okoniewski (3 2 2 3 3) 13 Max Dilger (1 1 1) 3 Mathias Bartz (2 1 1 0) 4 Lukasz Kaspererk (1 2 2 1) 6 Kjastas Puodzuks (3 3 3 3 1) 13 Steffen Mell (2 1 2 1 2 1) 9 Erik Pudel (1 0 2) 3 Teterow 41 Tobias Johansson (2 1 3 A 0) 6 Marco Müller (0 0 0) 0 Daniel Pytel (3 3 2 2 ST A) 10 Toni Brosowski (0 0) 0 Ronny Weis (0 1 2 3) 6 Kevin Wölbert (3 2 3 3 6(joker) 2) 19 Ricardo Herrmann (0 0 0) 0 Himmelfahrt Meeting,Nordhastedt Group A M.Hauzinger(A) (2,3,3,3,3)14 P.Nørgaard(DK) (1,3,3,3,3)13 M.Ebæk(DK) (3,2,2,3,2)12+3 R.Bach(DK) (3,2,2,2,3)12+F T.Nielsen(DK) (2,3,3,1,1)10 T.Sørensen(DK) (3,3,e.f,3,0)9 Do.Möller (D) (1,1,3,2,2)9 S.Rozenberg(NL) (3,1,1,0,3)8 M.Hansen(DK) (2,2,2,0,2)8 K.Drossmann(D) (e.f,2,1,1,2)6 M.Zyweck(D) (1,1,1,2,1)6 H.van der Steen(NL) (1,0,2,1,1)5 M.Limberger(D) (2,e.f,e.f,e.f,F)2 De.Möller(D) (0,0,F.0,2,0)2 S.Seefeld(D) (0,1,1,0,0)2 B.Borgers(NL) (0,0,0,1,1)2 Highway to Hell(6 riders,6 laps) P.Nørgaard M.Ebæk T.Nielsen D.Möller T.Sørensen R.Bach(e.f in the 5th lap while leading ) Gruppe B D.Wienke(D) 15 A.Ledwig(D) 14 L.Raun(DK) 12 Photos Rene Schäfer (seems to get on better again, cause he's back from injury), Tim Brinckmann (a close friend of mine, a so-called "practise-world-champion"), Alexander Lieschke (retired for the same reason I did - money), Marco Müller (personally I believe he's very talented but I can't figure out why he hasn't made it yet), Michael Diener (haven't heard much about him since last year), Michael Hertrich (seems to get going again)... I probably forgot some riders but there's one very rider who has the backup, very talented and successful and that is Mathias Schultz... I just wish he gets his rearend to england soon, cause otherwise I can't see him being world class... I'm quite sure if he makes a move asap, he'll be flying.... Sorry Henning,i have only just seen your edit I agree with what you say,although i don't think i ever saw Brinckmann.Michael Diener was a rider that realy impressed me on the few occasions i saw him.Seemd to be about as good as Kevin Wölbert although i think older.Hertrich was also tipped for the top,but thought it was "off track" things that got in the way.Don't think he was too keen on being in Smolis shadow at Olching.Seems he will only ride if really needed.He is more coaching,i think.A bit similar to K.Lund in Denmark. And as for Matze......well i asked him on a couple of occasions and he said he wasn't thinking about England.But i do agree,he needs to get over to stop his career sliding away Riding in the Polish 2nd division and the Danish 1st is not going to do him much good.A few years back before his injuries and studies i thought he was the second best German rider behind Mirko.Ahead of Smoli and Hefe Edited May 17, 2007 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herman Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 And as for Matze......well i asked him on a couple of occasions and he said he wasn't thinking about England.But i do agree,he needs to get over to stop his career sliding away Riding in the Polish 2nd division and the Danish 1st is not going to do him much good.A few years back before his injuries and studies i thought he was the second best German rider behind Mirko.Ahead of Smoli and Hefe <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, from what I know he had offers from british clubs on his desk before he even finished school. And a few years ago I heard that Oxford was interested... The reason he said no to the first offers were a) he wants to finish school first, he doesn't want to move to england... after he finished school and his apprenticeship I think oxford made an offer and this time (with everything important out of the way) he said he'd rather ride in poland.. Fair enough, but apart from Egon Muller (and the pole) there was afaik no world champion NOT riding in england at all... and even Egon had a brief spell in england. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 I guess the thing is there were no really succesful German riders in England as a "Vorbild".I remember all the talk on Inspeed a few years ago when people were saying riders should go to England.There was the answer "look at Robbie.He has spent years in England and isn't a top star".Now that Smoli,Hefe and Tobi are doing quite well,that might act as a new example for the youngsters.It was interesting to see that Kevin Wölbert wants to go over.Just surprising given some of the riders that have gone that he isn't there already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herman Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 I guess the thing is there were no really succesful German riders in England as a "Vorbild". <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No I don't think that's the point. Who, of all the german youngsters, has german idols anyway??... I remember when I was 12-16, the idols of riders at my age were Hans Nielsen, Sam Ermolenko, Tomasz Gollob, Tony Rickardsson and so on.... I personally believe that so many riders didn't want to take any risks, for example going over to england for 2nd halves... because if you aren't successful on international ground (eg hefe, smoli and tobi - World U21's) they won't know your name in england and will definately not agree a deal over the phone.. that's what most german riders expect (I was one of them)... So, my advice for all german riders: if you are keen to ride in england, come over and do 2nd halves. Only the promoters will know if you're worth a gamble and they can only be sure when you show yourselves. If the promoters don't want to sign you.. tough... usually they'll tell you why, it can either be "we can't fit you in, cause your average is too high", "you are not good enough" or "We can't afford you / You ask for too much" ... The first answers mean that you better improve if you still want to ride in england... the other answer means u can either go for another club and lower your expectations... So simple, isn't it? But as easy as it looks, it's as easy to fail, too... look at me :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 (edited) So simple, isn't it? But as easy as it looks, it's as easy to fail, too... look at me :D <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ah,but you almost had what you wanted in your grasp.It was only this complete mess with Holsted that caused the big problem That is how close success and failure are.I heard the other week that one of the top 80cc riders in Denmark couldn't afford to make the transition up to 500cc. Edited May 18, 2007 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herman Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 Ah,but you almost had what you wanted in your grasp.It was only this complete mess with Holsted that caused the big problem That is how close success and failure are.I heard the other week that one of the top 80cc riders in Denmark couldn't afford to make the transition up to 500cc. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ah that's a shame... On the other hand I think it has to be that way... if every dane (and germans of course) had the money to make the step up to world class, it'd bring the sport out of balance... there has to be some losers joking aside, but still referring to what I said before, not everyone has the full package and a bit of luck so we gotta get on with it. Me included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 (edited) Results of last night Auerhahnpokal,Teterow from inspeed.de 1. Ulamek 12 2. Ferjan 10 3. Louis 11 4. Hefenbrock 10 5. Klingberg 10 6. Zabik 13 7. Smolinski 11 8. Gjedde 9 9. Kylmäkorpi 7 10. Walasek 6 11. Howe 5 12. Schultz 5 13. Katt 4 14. Wölbert 4 15. Edberg 3 16. Watson 0 17. Tob. Johansson 0 Heat details Crowd unofficially reported as 7-8,000 Meeting at Güstrow friday cancelled because of bad weather .Just hope the meeting tonight in Güstrow goes ahead,but the weather is supposed to be bad again.Güstrow have spent a lot of money re-doing the stadium.New floodlights and terracing.They would be hard hit if two meetings,especially their big meeting of the season,are cancelled Edited May 27, 2007 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 (edited) Results from Pfingstpokal,Güstrow taken from inspeed.de Meeting stopped after 12 heats because of heavy rain and hailstones(result stands) 1. Kylmäkorpi 9 2. Hefenbrock 8 3. Alden 8 4. S.Andersson 8 5. Bager 7 6. Swist 6 7. Howe 6 8. Kroner 5 9. Hauzinger 4 10. Mell 3 11. Hougaard 2 12. Szatmari 2 13. Jablonski 2 14. Tob. Johansson 1 15. Bajerski 1 16. Re. v. Weele 0 Although speedway.org has the final positions somewhat different.Here The meeting was stopped after the first 4 heats as the rain and hailstones were very heavy.Seems around 70% of the crowd left at that stage,but they got the track in race condition(?) and ran a further 8 heats.Somewhere during this(probably in his first heat)it seems Joonas broke the 5 year old track record Edited May 28, 2007 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 Kylmäkorpi not holding back then?? Coming back from an injury he had and riding in conditions you describe. I take that hailstone's mean "ice" falling from the sky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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