Guest clivehitch Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 Would go for the "The Throttle Ripper",Barry Briggs..then Pete Munday was a tough character,always scored maximums when it was wet!! Phil Crump was a mean dude as well. All the top riders have to have that extra degree of ruthlessness to become world beaters..remember Ove Fundin,Ivan Mauger,Ole Olsen..well 'ard!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bee Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 (edited) All the top riders have to have that extra degree of ruthlessness to become world beaters..remember Ove Fundin,Ivan Mauger,Ole Olsen..well 'ard!! Agreed. Nigel Boocock said the reason he didn't always come good in World Finals was that he rode 100% every time he took to the track, and therefore at the big occasions he had nothing extra to give. He told me that Ivan who he lives near in Australia now, told him that he rode at 90% most of the time and on the big night gave that extra 10% and that was the difference. Having watched both through out all of their careers I'd say that was true, Ivan never did seem to be giving it is all unless it was the World Championships. Nigel did roduce the goods at the Wills Internationale once though Other than Nigel being a good tough un....Briggo gets my vote by a mile. Edited September 20, 2004 by Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 If what you say about Mauger is true, how come he several times recorded an average of over 11 points per match during the league season? If he was only at 90% and still managing that sort of average, then there can be no doubt he must have been the greatest rider ever by a very large margin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 (edited) If what you say about Mauger is true, how come he several times recorded an average of over 11 points per match during the league season? If he was only at 90% and still managing that sort of average, then there can be no doubt he must have been the greatest rider ever by a very large margin. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree with you there Norbold Ivan is still the greatest rider ever, forget Tony Rickardsson. The thing that does infuriate me that we have the Ove Fundin World Team Championship, when is Ivan going to receive the same accolade. Edited September 21, 2004 by spin king Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 Actually, spin king I don't agree that Ivan was the greatest ever! Ove's my man! The point I was trying to make in response to Bee was that I don't believe that Ivan Mauger was only giving 90% in league matches. He, like all the great riders, was giving it 100% all the time. (I do think he was the second best of all time, if that's any consolation! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 the 'Ivan Mauger Individual World Championship Trophy' how about a new winged wheel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 Actually, spin king I don't agree that Ivan was the greatest ever! Ove's my man! The point I was trying to make in response to Bee was that I don't believe that Ivan Mauger was only giving 90% in league matches. He, like all the great riders, was giving it 100% all the time. (I do think he was the second best of all time, if that's any consolation! ) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sorry Norbold, not read postings properly, I still think Ivan was better but in saying that I never saw Ove ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 the 'Ivan Mauger Individual World Championship Trophy' how about a new winged wheel? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Excellent idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 He, like all the great riders, was giving it 100% all the time. (I do think he was the second best of all time, if that's any consolation! ) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Can't agree that riders give it 100% all the time ,Norbold.I think Ivan like most tried things out in meetings and went through the motions in others. I think Mauger was the best of all time even though i didn't see a lot of the greats,though i did see Ove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 Yes, iris, maybe I was exaggerating a bit to say ALL the time, but I do think they would give of their best in League matches. Certainly Ivan's averages would suggest he was doing his best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 what about the mad cornishman chris jullian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 (edited) Yes, iris, maybe I was exaggerating a bit to say ALL the time, but I do think they would give of their best in League matches. Certainly Ivan's averages would suggest he was doing his best. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> my dad and me could certainly tell some things about some of the individual meetings some of the things he did and said before and after some meetings were 'interesting' ... Edited September 21, 2004 by stevehone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whacko Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 James Birkinshaw is a rider who to me has always came accross as a tough guy, maybes its his voice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave the Mic Posted September 22, 2004 Report Share Posted September 22, 2004 Steve Koppe - hard as nails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 22, 2004 Report Share Posted September 22, 2004 (edited) Yes, iris, maybe I was exaggerating a bit to say ALL the time, but I do think they would give of their best in League matches. Certainly Ivan's averages would suggest he was doing his best. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> my dad and me could certainly tell some things about some of the individual meetings some of the things he did and said before and after some meetings were 'interesting' ... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Come on then Steve,spill the beans or do we have to wait for the book to come out One of the things he usually said after the meetings i was at was"#### off,your not getting an autograph" Edited September 22, 2004 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted September 22, 2004 Report Share Posted September 22, 2004 got everything autographed... what annoyed me back then was having to give my bed up for him. lets just say, we knew what sort of meeting he would have before it started... times he was injured but being forced to ride etc ... can't say too much... he's due over soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 22, 2004 Report Share Posted September 22, 2004 can't say too much... he's due over soon <{POST_SNAPBACK}> fiddlesticks What did the great man like for breakfast,then.If he had time for food that is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted September 22, 2004 Report Share Posted September 22, 2004 (edited) can't say too much... he's due over soon <{POST_SNAPBACK}> fiddlesticks What did the great man like for breakfast,then.If he had time for food that is <{POST_SNAPBACK}> whatever my mum cooked him... i suppose you were one of those Dons fans that would boo him every time he rode at Plough Lane... and then wait outside for his autograph i could never understand the boos ... but i suppose British mentality... hate a winner just had a thought too... 'he was a tough un' ... wouldn't have argued with Ivan's mechanic Gordon Stobbs!! Edited September 22, 2004 by stevehone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 22, 2004 Report Share Posted September 22, 2004 (edited) As i said,i think he is the best ever.Don't mean i liked him(admired maybe)but certainly never booed him, nor anyone else for that matter.Well maybe Bert Harkins :blink:Oh,forgot to mention i always booed you Never asked for an autograph though Edited September 22, 2004 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted September 22, 2004 Report Share Posted September 22, 2004 Oh,forgot to mention i always booed you Never asked for an autograph though <{POST_SNAPBACK}> yeah you weren't alone... i even booed myself at times but hey, i got on great with Steve Brown and the rest of the loonies on the first bend at Wimbledon... great days actually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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