Puma23 Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 I look for team avarages of brtish league since first season (all leagues). Maybe someone has the avarages or maybe someone can prefer me any british speedway books which enclose the date. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Peter Oakes's "The Complete History of the British League" has all British League averages from 1965 to 1990. Since then there have been several annuals/yearbooks with specific years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadster Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Peter Oakes's "The Complete History of the British League" has all British League averages from 1965 to 1990. The averages for the first season of the British League are a work of fiction. Oakes has simply divided the number of points by the number of matches, rather than by actual rides. He's simply assumed that everyone had 4 rides per match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 The averages for the first season of the British League are a work of fiction. Oakes has simply divided the number of points by the number of matches, rather than by actual rides. He's simply assumed that everyone had 4 rides per match. That is an interesting post, and after comparing the averages from the "Complete History" book with the averages in that years "British Speedway Handbook", it seems you are correct. So deos anyone have the riders' rides, scores and bonus points from all the 1965 KO Cup meetings, so I can update my records please? These are the meetings concerned;- Round 1 Long Eaton v Halifax (4th May 1965) Edinburgh v Hackney (8th May 1965) Round 2 Exeter v Belle Vue (28th June 1965) Newcastle v Swindon (28th June 1965) West Ham v Newport (29th June 1965) Long Eaton v Coventry (29th June 1965) Glasgow v Sheffield (2nd July 1965) Oxford v Wimbledon (8th July 1965) Poole v Edinburgh (14th July 1965) Cradley Heath v Wolverhampton (24th July 1965) Round 3 West Ham v Wimbledon (3rd August 1965) Exeter v Long Eaton (9th August 1965) Poole v Wolverhampton (11th August 1965) Glasgow v Swindon (13th August 1965) Replay Wimbledon v West Ham (14th August 1965) Semi Finals Exeter v Wolverhampton (6th September 1965) Glasgow v West Ham (10th September 1965) Final West Ham v Exeter (5th October 1965) Exeter v West Ham (11th October 1965) A big ask I know, but any help would be most appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 I've sent you a reply on the Speedway History Forum, Kev. Don't get too excited, but it's a start! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 (edited) Statistical buffs out there may be interested in this one. I have just about completed an update of averages and records since the conclusion of Peter Oakes's 65-90 book. My book will cover all years 1991-2006 and has everything Oakes' book has - averages, tables, results, tests, stories of the year, etc. At the moment I don't know whether to have the book done by somebody like Tempus. Any ideas? Edited October 24, 2006 by moxey63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 You could try Tempus, moxey, they might be interested. I can give you details of who to contact etc. If you're interested send me a pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 I've sent you a reply on the Speedway History Forum, Kev. Don't get too excited, but it's a start! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Many thanks Norbold - off to have a look now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custom House Kid Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 (edited) That is an interesting post, and after comparing the averages from the "Complete History" book with the averages in that years "British Speedway Handbook", it seems you are correct. So deos anyone have the riders' rides, scores and bonus points from all the 1965 KO Cup meetings, so I can update my records please? These are the meetings concerned;- Round 1 Long Eaton v Halifax (4th May 1965) Edinburgh v Hackney (8th May 1965) Round 2 Exeter v Belle Vue (28th June 1965) Newcastle v Swindon (28th June 1965) West Ham v Newport (29th June 1965) Long Eaton v Coventry (29th June 1965) Glasgow v Sheffield (2nd July 1965) Oxford v Wimbledon (8th July 1965) Poole v Edinburgh (14th July 1965) Cradley Heath v Wolverhampton (24th July 1965) Round 3 West Ham v Wimbledon (3rd August 1965) Exeter v Long Eaton (9th August 1965) Poole v Wolverhampton (11th August 1965) Glasgow v Swindon (13th August 1965) Replay Wimbledon v West Ham (14th August 1965) Semi Finals Exeter v Wolverhampton (6th September 1965) Glasgow v West Ham (10th September 1965) Final West Ham v Exeter (5th October 1965) Exeter v West Ham (11th October 1965) A big ask I know, but any help would be most appreciated. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This link may help My Webpage Edited October 24, 2006 by Custom House Kid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Many thanks CHK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Kev, Rounds 1 and 2 done. Will finish the rest tomorrow night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Kev, Rounds 1 and 2 done. Will finish the rest tomorrow night. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You are an absolute star - thanks very much mate - those beers are mounting up now aren't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 You could try Tempus, moxey, they might be interested. I can give you details of who to contact etc. If you're interested send me a pm. Did you receive my pm, Norbold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 (edited) No. Nothing's arrived, moxey. P.S. I've sent you a pm with a bit of news... Edited October 26, 2006 by norbold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedyguy Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Peter Oakes's "The Complete History of the British League" has all British League averages from 1965 to 1990. The averages for the first season of the British League are a work of fiction. Oakes has simply divided the number of points by the number of matches, rather than by actual rides. He's simply assumed that everyone had 4 rides per match. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> In the old days, scorers were only listed by riders totals with the number of matches. Then came averages decided by matches divided into points scored. Later came the inclusion of bonus points. Then came calculations based on the number of rides raced. Then came the calculator based sport we have today. Teams were formed each year based on a combined average for all the teams The fun went out of speedway. We lost riders just because they could not be fitted into a team's average. And in the Conference League, we also had the farcical age-related averages and the assessed reserves' averages as well. Many of the older riders were forced out of the sport. The fun went out of the game. It is now all too complex. I guess there are many who do still enjoy all this complexity - for me bring back 1946! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadster Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 I salute your grey hairs, Speedyguy. 1946 is way before my time. Then they had 8 man teams racing over 14 heats with no tactical subs or r/r so apart from the reserves it was 4 rides each. By 1965 it was 7 man teams over 13 heats with tac subs but still no r/r so the maximum number of rides was 5. A rider scores 12 points from 5 rides and their average is 9.6, 12 points form 4 and it's 12...quite a big difference. I suppose my complaint is that it's just the one season in a not inexpensive book when the averages don't give a true picture and the main victims are the reserves/second strings who come out with some very low averages which don't give a fair reflection of their ability or their importance to their team. My recollection of 1967 when I first started attending in a sentient way was that rider's averages and hence team positions were decided on a score per race. can anyone else confirm that? There were no point limits then and everyone moaned about the Rider Control Committee. As ever riders were forced out, but often because there were simply not enough team places available. Division 2 sorted that out. Many of the older riders were forced out of the sport. The fun went out of the game. It is now all too complex. I guess there are many who do still enjoy all this complexity - for me bring back 1946! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogH Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Very interested in your proposed book, Moxey, a much needed addition to speedway's library. If you get no joy with Tempus, you might try the people who produce Backtrack magazine, they've done some books, or possibly Methanol Press, who do Jeff Scott's books. Robert Bamford, author and Press Officer at Swindon was a great help to me when I did my Hull books, he would help, I'm sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Very interested in your proposed book, Moxey, a much needed addition to speedway's library. If you get no joy with Tempus, you might try the people who produce Backtrack magazine, they've done some books, or possibly Methanol Press, who do Jeff Scott's books. Robert Bamford, author and Press Officer at Swindon was a great help to me when I did my Hull books, he would help, I'm sure. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi Roger I am really excited about this latest project. I have in the past compiled home produced yearbooks for 1958, 1965, 1966, 1970, 1975 and 2000 as well as one for Scunthorpe 1971-85. But working on the 1991-2006 book really has me excited. Norbold has given me a bit of help to be going on with, but I will take your advice for future reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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