captaingeesh Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 line up anyone???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilK Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 Heard that Skornicki, Howe, Jansson, Miskowiak were in it last Thursday, hardly inspiring I'm afraid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuzieQ Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 Heard that Skornicki, Howe, Jansson, Miskowiak were in it last Thursday, hardly inspiring I'm afraid <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Â And Mr Loram who is feeling much better now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Witch Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 The confirmed line up according to the Witches website is:  Adam Skornicki Adam Shields Kim Jansson David Howe Davey Watt Robert Miskowiak Tobias Kroner Leigh Lanham Lewis Bridger Chris Holder Michael Nielsen Mark Loram  Not the most spectacular line up but this is always a must in my speedway calendar. Its not often you get the chance to see 8 riders on track at the same time, and seeing them all entering the first and second bends of the first lap is a sight every speedway fan should experience at some stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilK Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 The confirmed line up according to the Witches website is:  Michael Nielsen    ??? Any info on him please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Don't expect to see Mark Loram in the final!! Â He moaned about 5 rider races in the SWC in Poland so it would be a bit hypercritical to ride in an 8 rider race in a nothing competition on a tiny track! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 The confirmed line up according to the Witches website is: Â Michael Nielsen ??? Any info on him please? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Don't know any Danish riders of that name.Only Nielsens are 80cc riders,i think. Maybe Mattias Nilsson from Sweden? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robyn1972 Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Don't expect to see Mark Loram in the final!! He moaned about 5 rider races in the SWC in Poland so it would be a bit hypercritical to ride in an 8 rider race in a nothing competition on a tiny track! <{POST_SNAPBACK}>  Tiny Track? Get your facts right at least - the majority of EL Tracks are smaller!  Anyway - Mark always used to ride in it and make the final so I see no reason for him to not be aiming for that this time around! I guess we'll see tomorrow night!  I'm with LW on this - I love the meeting and always have. Totally a bit of fun and something different to everything else we do all season. We be odd to not have all the usual end of season shenanigans alongside it, though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 (edited) Come on, compared to Polish tracks, Ipswitch is narrow and tiny. Naff all to do with the rest of the EL. Â TBH, Mark riding is this is just another thing I'm starting to dislike about him. Just whats makes riding in an 8 rider heat at Ipswich safer than a 5 rider heat on a big, wide Polish track? Edited October 4, 2006 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robyn1972 Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Oh well, better close British speedway down altogether as since the demise of Exeter there's no tracks over here to compare with the sort of thing you're talking about! Oddly enough, on a forum board relating to British speedway, and in a thread relating to a British event, it didn't occur to me that Polish tracks had any relevance! Â As for Mark - I find myself doubting he's losing any sleep over your dislike of him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 You can twist it all you like. Mark said he was not willing to ride on a track with more than 3 other riders in the SWC. Yet amazingly, here he is riding on a track with 7 others! Â British tracks have nothing to do with it (it's a wel know ploy when lossing an arguement to move the arguement to someonthing else, I use it myself so it's not goign to work), British tracks are totally irrelavent. Mark said he was not willing to ride on ANY track with more than 3 other riders. He said he'd pull out of the SWC if he was made to do it and the SWC was being held on the bigger, wider Polish tracks, not the small, narrow Ipswich track. (which may not be small and narrow in GB terms but in World speedway terms it certain is!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robyn1972 Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Blimey - you want to untwist those knickers before they cut off the circulation to your vital bits.... Â I'm "twisting" nothing - you called Ipswich a tiny track without qualifying what your measure was - when I corrected you by stating that in comparison to other tracks in the EL (The most likely comparison in the arena in which we are discussing the matter) you changed tack and brought Polish tracks into it. Â Maybe age and experience has mellowed Mark? I'd hazard a guess that his problem in Poland may have been that it was five riders leaving the gate and piling into the first bend together so maybe his willingness to ride tomorrow is something to do with it effectively only being a four-rider start (Well, so long as the back tapes got sorted out anyway!) - in case you don't know, the 16 lapper final is run off two starting grids - one behind the other and (I think) 30m between the two - top four scorers on the night go off the back grid, next four off the front. It is possible by playing your cards tactically earlier in the evening to be sure of ending the qualifiers on the right points to go off the front grid and thus reach the first bend with only the normal number of riders around you.....perhaps this is Mark's plan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 He moaned about 5 rider races in the SWC in Poland so it would be a bit hypercritical to ride in an 8 rider race in a nothing competition on a tiny track! when I corrected you by stating that in comparison to other tracks in the EL (The most likely comparison in the arena in which we are discussing the matter) you changed tack and brought Polish tracks into it. Â It is possible by playing your cards tactically earlier in the evening to be sure of ending the qualifiers on the right points to go off the front grid and thus reach the first bend with only the normal number of riders around you.....perhaps this is Mark's plan? Maybe! Lets hope so as I'd hate to be off that back grid and the guy off the front grid fails to leave the start!! Could be carnage! Â BTW, thanks for the tip, just checked and I was going blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robyn1972 Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 <{POST_SNAPBACK}>  Fair comment - reading it again I see where you were coming from.  Maybe! Lets hope so as I'd hate to be off that back grid and the guy off the front grid fails to leave the start!! Could be carnage! <{POST_SNAPBACK}>  Don't joke Shawn - it's happened! In fact what generally occurs is the rider in front has the nous to stay absolutely still and the rider from the back grid takes evasive action. The worst problems occur when a front grid rider falls on the first bend, now that CAN be carnage!!!  BTW, thanks for the tip, just checked and I was going blue   <{POST_SNAPBACK}>  Ah well, that's my good deed for the day then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cometsfan2k4 Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 So how exactly does a 16 lapper work? I dont mean to sound niave, but I take it it isnt just 16 laps all against each other and thats it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 So how exactly does a 16 lapper work? I dont mean to sound niave, but I take it it isnt just 16 laps all against each other and thats it? <{POST_SNAPBACK}>  The 12 riders (used to be 16) take part in 12 qualifying races (used to be 16) in a normal individual meeting format. The bottom four riders after those 12 races compete in a consolation final over 6 laps (used to be 8 I think). The riders who finished 5th to 8th in the qualifying races go from the front grid in the main 16 lapper final whilst the riders placed 1st to 4th go from the back grid but with an additional 2 points given to them. The 16 lapper then takes place with the winner getting 14 points to add to his qualifying races score, second get 12, third 10 etc etc (not forgetting those off the back grid get 2 extra points). The winner is the rider with the highest combined score, not the winner of the 16 lap final.  See, it’s simple!  As for Loram riding, he may not want to ride in a meeting where 5 riders are all going for the corner side by side but in the 16 lapper final they are spread over two banks of 4 riders. By the time those on the back grid catch the front grid riders they are a bit more spread out and the danger of riders getting in each others way is far less than in a 5 man SWC race IMO.  Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuzieQ Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 The 12 riders (used to be 16) take part in 12 qualifying races (used to be 16) in a normal individual meeting format. The bottom four riders after those 12 races compete in a consolation final over 6 laps (used to be 8 I think). The riders who finished 5th to 8th in the qualifying races go from the front grid in the main 16 lapper final whilst the riders placed 1st to 4th go from the back grid but with an additional 2 points given to them. The 16 lapper then takes place with the winner getting 14 points to add to his qualifying races score, second get 12, third 10 etc etc (not forgetting those off the back grid get 2 extra points). The winner is the rider with the highest combined score, not the winner of the 16 lap final. See, it’s simple!  As for Loram riding, he may not want to ride in a meeting where 5 riders are all going for the corner side by side but in the 16 lapper final they are spread over two banks of 4 riders. By the time those on the back grid catch the front grid riders they are a bit more spread out and the danger of riders getting in each others way is far less than in a 5 man SWC race IMO.  Pete <{POST_SNAPBACK}>  A very good description there! I have a video here somewhere of the 16 lapper from years ago (heck it must have been the early 80's) with Billy Sanders, Mel Taylor, Donkey etc in it!  Always a very entertaining meeting and I am pleased that Ipswich have kept this going for so long, unlike Poole's Blue Ribband which bit the dust (no pun intended) years ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builderbob Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 do the riders have bigger fuel tanks or do they have to pit to refuel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 They add a larger fuel tank especially for the race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builderbob Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 thanks pete is this tank as well as the standard tank or in place of? if the former must be difficult to fit in or get covers on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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