orion Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 (edited) But he is British Champion, he is the best rider we have (arguably) and BSI wont run a GP series without at least one British rider. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Don't make it right thou does it ? i like scott and i am a big fan of his fightings skill but sub is right he's fail 3 times now, the last thing you want is people feeling pity for yer i hope for scotts sake he won't take a wildcard and trys to get back by merit . Edited September 23, 2006 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Which Brit(s) would you nominate for the GPs then? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> None. None are good enough, so none should be there. It does them no favours dishing out charity nominations. In fact, it produces the kind of camplacency that leads to the failure we are currently witnessing. When was the last time a British rider actually appeared in the GPs on merit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caristom Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 You see what we're dealing with here is negativity You go to a speedway meeting and you can taste it in the air If you think positive then the atmosphere will change - riders will respond to that new atmosphere and perform accordingly If you see what I mean - and if you don't - nivver mind eh!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> on a more positive note;do you come from halifax? a town i know very well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 (edited) Scott is British number one, but to be honest it wouldn't surprise me if Chris Harris is better than Scott by the middle of next season. If Scott failing to qualify means only having one British rider in the GP then I'd rather see Harris get it. Edited September 23, 2006 by Grachan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 remind me when it was that we were that much better? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, with a New Cross avatar, no doubt you can remember when we had Lee, Jessup, PC, Morton and Carter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caristom Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Don't make it right thou does it ? i like scott and i am a big fan of his fightings skill but sub is right he's fail 3 times now, the last thing you want is people feeling pity for yer i hope for scotts sake he won't take a wildcard and trys to get back by merit . <{POST_SNAPBACK}> what and we replace him by riders that are totally out of their depth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Clemens Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 on a more positive note;do you come from halifax? a town i know very well! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No I don't caristom I live 25 miles from Halifax but I was devoted to the place Went to the the Shay every saturday for 15 years and Sheffield every thursday till they both disappeared off the speedway map And I've been in the 'twilight zone' eversince Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double_0 Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Don't remember advocating kicking BP or Lindback out of the GPs. BP qualified last season (unlike Nicholls) and deserves another go. As for Lindback, I actually feel a season out of the GPs would help him along and Lindgren looks an obvious replacement. And then there's PK. He might not ever have achieved much in the GPs, but at least he doesn't regard qualifying as beneath him. I'd have PK back in. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> PK never qualified when he was in the GP proper and did not qualify through the qualifying rounds. Trouble is BSI is a company that looks to maximise its return from each GP and having a minimum 1 or 2 riders from Sweden/Denmark/Poland/England is to them, a financial necessity as 90-95% of all supporters over all the GPs, come from those 4 countries. So right or wrong, whoever BSI choose, will be based upon this. By the way, that voodoo doll of Nicholls you obviously keep by you - you surely must be running out of pins to stick in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty2hotty Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 No, I've advocated - since the 2005 when there were no qualifiers - having a system of two strikes and you're out. I've already said I think Lindback would benefit from a year out. BP qualified last season and should have another go. If he fails in 2007, then out with him as well. But Nicholls failed to qualify for 2005, failed to qualify for 2006 and has now failed to qualify for 2007. In a single, solitary GP performance, Wieslaw Jagus has reached as many finals as Nicholls has achieved in THREE seasons. There is no justifiable reason for Nicholls to be included in 2007. None. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Part of me does agree with you Subdei. Scott has not qualified by rights for the last 3 seasons and by rights should therefore perhaps not be included in next years GP Series. But he has always been there or thereabouts. Although you are not a fan of him yourself, you must realise that he has a massive fan base and it would be financial suicide for BSI not to include him. Yes I know, riders should be judged on their racing, but I feel that Scott adds a lot of excitement to the GP Series, its very rare that he doesnt get to a semi final and yes he usually doesn't get much further, but that adds to the excitement for his many fans, that perhaps this will be the one where he does go further. I know there is nothing in the rule book that says you must have a Brit in the GP, but can you imagine Cardiff without a Brit. I know it probably wouldn't bother you and probably a lot of others who support the foreign riders, but believe me the crowd would drop by half and the atmosphere that we all love at Cardiff would be like a damp squid. We do not have a better Brit at the moment, so I really do hope that Scott is offered a Wild Card and swallows his pride and accepts it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen till i die Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnn......yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn...............yawn. Very boring subject. Usual people Slaging off Scott " the racer, England's undisputed number 1, whether you like it or not" Nicholls. Get over it, he deserves to be in the gp's and he will be in the gp's hopefully for many years to come. Form is temporary, class is permanent & Scott is class Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 what and we replace him by riders that are totally out of their depth? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well maybe give them 3 seasons and see how they get on like scott ? Scott had his chances and he's fail give someone else a chance and give them the chance to fail . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caristom Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Well, with a New Cross avatar, no doubt you can remember when we had Lee, Jessup, PC, Morton and Carter? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i can very well,and they were nowhere near the class of mauger,olsen,gundersen,neilsen,penhall etc since i have been watching speedway (mid sixties)there have been seven riders who have at some point been head and shoulders above anyone else,and none of them british. i was to young to properly remember fundin moore and briggs(also not british) and would say that the only two world beaters we have ever had were tom farndon,and peter craven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Clemens Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Form is temporary, class is permanent & Scott is class <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Aye but just not classy enough for some and perhaps not classy enough to qualify for the GP by rights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caristom Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Well maybe give them 3 seasons and see how they get on like scott ? Scott had his chances and he's fail give someone else a chance and give them the chance to fail . <{POST_SNAPBACK}> dont assume i am defending scott because he is british,i could'nt give a monkeys how many brits are in the gp's,but think back to how many exciting moments nicholls has given us this year,and then think about protasiewicz,and iversen and what they have contributed,and jagus will give us more of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 dont assume i am defending scott because he is british,i could'nt give a monkeys how many brits are in the gp's,but think back to how many exciting moments nicholls has given us this year,and then think about protasiewicz,and iversen and what they have contributed,and jagus will give us more of that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I am with you on this one my have no doubt scott is one the top 16 riders in the world and will no doubt be given a wildcard by the powers that be. I hope that scott will turn it down for his sake as i don't think scotts the sort of guy who would what people to think he is in on pity or being british . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caristom Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 I am with you on this one my have no doubt scott is one the top 16 riders in the world and will no doubt be given a wildcard by the powers that be. I hope that scott will turn it down for his sake as i don't think scotts the sort of guy who would what people to think he is in on pity or being british . <{POST_SNAPBACK}> the point is the powers that be,arguably need nicholls more than he needs the gp's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Clemens Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 I am with you on this one my have no doubt scott is one the top 16 riders in the world and will no doubt be given a wildcard by the powers that be. I hope that scott will turn it down for his sake as i don't think scotts the sort of guy who would what people to think he is in on pity or being british . <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think Scott is one who could do with a break from the GP's which would give him time to step back and take a look at what he's achieved so far and where he has 'gone wrong' then come back refreshed and perhaps then be the class act we know he can be I wouldn't be surprised at all if he turned down the wild card offer and took that break to revitalise himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caristom Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 I think Scott is one who could do with a break from the GP's which would give him time to step back and take a look at what he's achieved so far and where he has 'gone wrong' then come back refreshed and perhaps then be the class act we know he can be I wouldn't be surprised at all if he turned down the wild card offer and took that break to revitalise himself <{POST_SNAPBACK}> personally i think that since the world cup,and the rekindling of his spat with andersen,he has looked a lot more determined,and a lot faster,imo if he had'nt broken his collar bone he would have finished in the top 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen till i die Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Antonio Lindback (Swe) 89, Scott Nicholls (GB) 83, Bjarne Pedersen (Den) 82, Niels-Kristian Iversen (Den) 51, Lee Richardson (GB) 39, Piotr Protasiewicz (Pol) 3 when I see as many posts about booting out the rest off the above, as I see about Scott Nicholls, I then may concede that he should not ride in the gp's next year. I'm now waiting for hell to freeze over / or / im waiting for a load of pigs to fly over my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Clemens Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 personally i think that since the world cup,and the rekindling of his spat with andersen,he has looked a lot more determined,and a lot faster,imo if he had'nt broken his collar bone he would have finished in the top 8 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He's got what it takes there's no doubt about it and yes he could have qualified on merit What I am saying is it's like when you have a problem that you apply yourself diligently in solving and find yourself banging your head against a brick wall - you have a 'break' from it and when you return all the answers are staring you in the face But the whole GP thing wants reorganising - in the end all the riding these riders have to do in the leagues etc plus the GP's leaves them exhausted in the end If they do less - they will gain more in the end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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