cwf Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 And if he does then I will personally retract and applaud his integrity. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Do you honestly think Nicholls would say no to a wild card? He would probably lose a fair few of his major sponsors if he wasnt in the GP series Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caristom Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 without a qualifying sysem you get the same riders every year - which dilutes the product = complacency = mediocrity You need fresh blood - riders who have developed their craft in an on going manner in competitive league racing = honed skills = ready to qualify to race in GP's on merit = keep the old order on their toes and their eventual natural successors <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i would prefer to see riders included on the basis of their league averages,from the three major leagues than a qualifying system. and can you honestly say the "fresh blood" of iversen this year was preferable to andersen or karlsson say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double_0 Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Ah yes, the old chestnut of Nicholls being a "racer". But Bydgoszcz is a "racer's track" and Nicholls still did nothing. Jagus will be there next season on merit. He qualified. Nicholls will be hanging around BSI with his begging bowl, even though he's already said that if he couldn't qualify he didn't deserve to be there. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So as Nicholls, Pedersen and Lindback have all not qualified, which 4 riders would you pick to provide as much entertainment as they serve up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 People post about Nicholls not making the cut again, but he only jusat missed out and missed a round, so he is justified in getting a nomination for next year. Plus, if Nicholls, Bjarne and Lindback dont take three of the four nominations . .. who else is there any better ? PK - Brilliant in the leagues, but has always failed in GP's and in his late 30's Simon Stead - may get the other nomination, but not better than Scott Chris Harris - see above Karol Zabik - see above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen76 Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Personally,i feel that riders outside the top 8,should meet with qualifiers to decide the final 16 for the following year-the meeting would have all the tension of an old style world final,and looking at positions 9 10 & 11this year they might as well have stated a top 11 place was enough,as scotty blarne and antonio are all certainties in my book,perhaps BSI would keep a place or two for circumstances such as last year(hampel) and in 98?(hamill) who only missed out thru injury etc--very good GP tonight,crap commentary-tho i did win the "millard bingo" compettition!!-as posted earlier it seems there is 1 place up for grabs-my vote goes to bomber,though a few would doubtlessly disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Was I the only one that shuddered when the studio team started talking about double points being awarded in the superbike comp and that it would have meant Crump having to perform in the final 2 GPs? I can picture it now. Posseltwit says to Olsen, "Crump has it too easy, let's introduce dingly dangly do dah whatsits in the final round. That should keep the viewing figures up so I can extract more dosh from sponsors and fans" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 (edited) Do you honestly think Nicholls would say no to a wild card?He would probably lose a fair few of his major sponsors if he wasnt in the GP series <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Then I won't need to retract, will I? I have no doubt that the Nicholls begging bowl will be out. And I've equally no doubt that John Postlethwaite will take pity on the pauper prince. Edited September 23, 2006 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Clemens Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 i would prefer to see riders included on the basis of their league averages,from the three major leagues than a qualifying system. and can you honestly say the "fresh blood" of iversen this year was preferable to andersen or karlsson say? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Totally agree with you on the league averages bit which complies with what I said about competitive league racing As for Iversen he was chosen didn't qualify - I didn't expect him to pull any trees up and he hasn't done = not GP standard Andersen wasn't doing anything either till he was no longer a chosen one = galvanised him (we all presume) to perform as he has done in the GP's he's rode in But let's look at him again at the end of season 2007 and see where he is then And yes I would have PK in and Rune Holta If there was a more equitable system (32 riders) then all these guys would be in Young and Old I do know I waste my time saying anything on this forum but if you look at these things it all of it is really common sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuzieQ Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Then I won't need to retract, will I?I have no doubt that the Nicholls begging bowl will be out. And I've equally no doubt that John Postlethwaite will take pity on pauper prince. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> My goodness you seem to have as big a dislike of Scott as TNT does of Nicki! If I was given these choices: Scott Nicholls or Lee Richardson Scott Nicholls or Chris Harris Scott Nicholls or Simon Stead I would choose Scott every time! However, if they were stupid enough to ask: Scott Nicholls or Mark Loram it would be "sorry Scott!, Mark it is" However, we all have different views on whom we want in the GP's and our varying reasons for this! Then again we don't get to make the choice do we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 So as Nicholls, Pedersen and Lindback have all not qualified, which 4 riders would you pick to provide as much entertainment as they serve up. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Don't remember advocating kicking BP or Lindback out of the GPs. BP qualified last season (unlike Nicholls) and deserves another go. As for Lindback, I actually feel a season out of the GPs would help him along and Lindgren looks an obvious replacement. And then there's PK. He might not ever have achieved much in the GPs, but at least he doesn't regard qualifying as beneath him. I'd have PK back in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caristom Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Totally agree with you on the league averages bit which complies with what I said about competitive league racing As for Iversen he was chosen didn't qualify - I didn't expect him to pull any trees up and he hasn't done = not GP standard Andersen wasn't doing anything either till he was no longer a chosen one = galvanised him (we all presume) to perform as he has done in the GP's he's rode in But let's look at him again at the end of season 2007 and see where he is then And yes I would have PK in and Rune Holta If there was a more equitable system (32 riders) then all these guys would be in Young and Old I do know I waste my time saying anything on this forum but if you look at these things it all of it is really common sense <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i dont see how 32 riders could be afforded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caristom Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Don't remember advocating kicking BP or Lindback out of the GPs. BP qualified last season (unlike Nicholls) and deserves another go. As for Lindback, I actually feel a season out of the GPs would help him along and Lindgren looks an obvious replacement. And then there's PK. He might not ever have achieved much in the GPs, but at least he doesn't regard qualifying as beneath him. I'd have PK back in. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> so in other words,you advocate cherry picking the best riders,but just dont like nicholls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty2hotty Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Mr Subdei, may I ask why you don't like Scott Nicholls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 No, I've advocated - since the 2005 when there were no qualifiers - having a system of two strikes and you're out. I've already said I think Lindback would benefit from a year out. BP qualified last season and should have another go. If he fails in 2007, then out with him as well. But Nicholls failed to qualify for 2005, failed to qualify for 2006 and has now failed to qualify for 2007. In a single, solitary GP performance, Wieslaw Jagus has reached as many finals as Nicholls has achieved in THREE seasons. There is no justifiable reason for Nicholls to be included in 2007. None. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwf Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 No, I've advocated - since the 2005 when there were no qualifiers - having a system of two strikes and you're out. I've already said I think Lindback would benefit from a year out. BP qualified last season and should have another go. If he fails in 2007, then out with him as well. But Nicholls failed to qualify for 2005, failed to qualify for 2006 and has now failed to qualify for 2007. In a single, solitary GP performance, Wieslaw Jagus has reached as many finals as Nicholls has achieved in THREE seasons. There is no justifiable reason for Nicholls to be included in 2007. None. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But he is British Champion, he is the best rider we have (arguably) and BSI wont run a GP series without at least one British rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Clemens Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 You see what we're dealing with here is negativity You go to a speedway meeting and you can taste it in the air If you think positive then the atmosphere will change - riders will respond to that new atmosphere and perform accordingly If you see what I mean - and if you don't - nivver mind eh!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 But he is British Champion. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Has British speedway ever sunk so low? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Clemens Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Has British speedway ever sunk so low? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Are we talking 1912 here Sub ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwf Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Which Brit(s) would you nominate for the GPs then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caristom Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Has British speedway ever sunk so low? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> remind me when it was that we were that much better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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