cwf Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 I think Scott is one who could do with a break from the GP's which would give him time to step back and take a look at what he's achieved so far and where he has 'gone wrong' then come back refreshed and perhaps then be the class act we know he can be I wouldn't be surprised at all if he turned down the wild card offer and took that break to revitalise himself <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Problem is that taking a break from the GPs will probably cost Scott a fair bit of sponsorship. Will Allan Ham be happy to plough a load of cash into a rider that isnt getting top TV exposure (speedway exposure that is) If he loses that backing can he afford to run so many engines/bikes of the quality required to get back into the GP series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Clemens Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 (edited) Problem is that taking a break from the GPs will probably cost Scott a fair bit of sponsorship. Will Allan Ham be happy to plough a load of cash into a rider that isnt getting top TV exposure (speedway exposure that is) If he loses that backing can he afford to run so many engines/bikes of the quality required to get back into the GP series. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If Mr Ham has faith in Scott he will - if he doesn't then that will also give Scott opportunity to find someone who does - like me for instance - only I'm skint - but I can offer moral support - which I will be doing on monday - when Scott will lead his team to victory at Peterborough Edited September 23, 2006 by Mr. Clemens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caristom Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 If Mr Ham has faith in Scott he will - if he doesn't then that will also give Scott opportunity to find someone who does - like me for instance - only I'm skint - but I can offer moral support - which I will be doing on monday - when Scott will lead his team to victory at Peterborough <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i hope he does'nt,i have a large bet on the panthers to win the league! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Clemens Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 i hope he does'nt,i have a large bet on the panthers to win the league! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I have a faith in the Coventry team and reasons to believe that they are quite capable of turning P/bro over on Monday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 (edited) FINAL GP STANDINGS 1. Jason Crump 188 2. Greg Hancock 144 3. Nicki Pedersen 134 4. Andreas Jonsson 119 5. Leigh Adams 106 6. Matej Zagar 97 7. Tomasz Gollob 94 8. Jaroslaw Hampel 91 9. Antonio Lindback 89 10. Scott Nicholls 83 11. Bjarne Pedersen 82 IN NEXT YEAR Hans Andersen 100 Wieslaw Jagus Rune Holta <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Apart from the 14 riders listed above, who else would qualify as one of the Worlds Top 15 riders ? - Nicholls is one of the 14 and deserves to be there. remember that Peter Karlsson and Chris Harris will wear 19 and 20 next year as first reserves. Edited September 23, 2006 by TNT133 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 dont assume i am defending scott because he is british,i could'nt give a monkeys how many brits are in the gp's,but think back to how many exciting moments nicholls has given us this year,and then think about protasiewicz,and iversen and what they have contributed,and jagus will give us more of that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why such a downer on Wieslaw Jagus? This is a rider who gave great entertainment tonight. This is a rider who bothered to enter the qualifying rounds and succeeded in making the GPs on merit. This is a rider who in one GP made as many finals as Nicholls has in the last three seasons. This is a rider who deserves his place in the GPs. And that's that. Now tell me, does one GP final in three seasons and failure to qualify for 2005, 2006 and now 2007 justify inclusion? As for the others: Only the terminally insane could possibly argue for Richardson's inclusion in 2007. Iversen was in his first season, didn't pull up any trees and I'd not care to see him in the GPs in 2007. Protasiewicz is much the same as Richardson - only the terminally insane could argue his inclusion. BP qualified last season and deserves another go, but if he fails next season then out he should go. Lindback's another who has had a couple of chances and should probably be out. I wouldn't argue for his inclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caristom Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 I have a faith in the Coventry team and reasons to believe that they are quite capable of turning P/bro over on Monday <{POST_SNAPBACK}> time will tell,however i think for schlein this meeting will come to soon,despite his good performance last week,i also think batchelor and allen will be found wanting. i am convinced it will be a very comfortable home win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Nicholls is one of the 14 and deserves to be there. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No, if he'd finished 1-8 he'd deserve to be there. If he finished 1-3 in the qualifiers he'd deserve to be there. If he'd finished 1-8 last season and finished where he did this season I'd argue his inclusion. He's had his chances. And how will we know how anyone else will get along if they never get the chance? Of last season's "nominations" only Hampel and Zagar have pushed into the 1-8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caristom Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Why such a downer on Wieslaw Jagus? This is a rider who gave great entertainment tonight. This is a rider who bothered to enter the qualifying rounds and succeeded in making the GPs on merit. This is a rider who in one GP made as many finals as Nicholls has in the last three seasons. This is a rider who deserves his place in the GPs. And that's that. Now tell me, does one GP final in three seasons and failure to qualify for 2005, 2006 and now 2007 justify inclusion?As for the others: Only the terminally insane could possibly argue for Richardson's inclusion in 2007. Iversen was in his first season, didn't pull up any trees and I'd not care to see him in the GPs in 2007. Protasiewicz is much the same as Richardson - only the terminally insane could argue his inclusion. BP qualified last season and deserves another go, but if he fails next season then out he should go. Lindback's another who has had a couple of chances and should probably be out. I wouldn't argue for his inclusion. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> re jagus i am not suggesting he has no future,just that this has come too soon,if i was him or zabik i would be looking to ride in the elite league next year to get some small track experience,next year he will be out of his depth. i agree with you about protasiewicz,richardson and iversen,but think considering his age it would be a mistake to get rid of lindback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 re jagus i am not suggesting he has no future,just that this has come too soon,if i was him or zabik i would be looking to ride in the elite league next year to get some small track experience,next year he will be out of his depth. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Too soon? Jagus is already the wrong side of 30. And only a couple of the GPs are raced on small, temporary circuits and a couple are held in Poland. If he has the backing, Jagus could surprise a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caristom Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Too soon? Jagus is already the wrong side of 30. And only a couple of the GPs are raced on small, temporary circuits and a couple are held in Poland. If he has the backing, Jagus could surprise a few. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> to be honest i did'nt know he was so old but the fact remains he has no chance of finishing in the top eight,and i'll happily give you 10/1 on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwf Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Jagus has won his place on merit. he surely deserves his chance. He may not pull up any trees next year but neither have many other GP " stars" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 to be honest i did'nt know he was so old but the fact remainshe has no chance of finishing in the top eight,and i'll happily give you 10/1 on that <{POST_SNAPBACK}> To be honest, the top eight look pretty much set in stone. I always thought BP was the most likely to fall out of it, with Hampel taking his place. But, as it stands, it was Zagar who really broke through and if TR had taken the GPs anywhere near seriously, Hampel would've struggled and I wouldn't have argued for giving him another chance. Jagus might fail, just as Nicholls continually fails. And if he fails, ship him out and try someone else. BSI probably didn't want him around anyway. They'd probably quite like to have been able to offer Janusz Kolodziej a place. But I guess they can't now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caristom Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Jagus has won his place on merit. he surely deserves his chance. He may not pull up any trees next year but neither have many other GP " stars" <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ok then my offer of 10/1 on jagus finishing in the top 8,extends to you as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caristom Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 To be honest, the top eight look pretty much set in stone. I always thought BP was the most likely to fall out of it, with Hampel taking his place. But, as it stands, it was Zagar who really broke through and if TR had taken the GPs anywhere near seriously, Hampel would've struggled and I wouldn't have argued for giving him another chance.Jagus might fail, just as Nicholls continually fails. And if he fails, ship him out and try someone else. BSI probably didn't want him around anyway. They'd probably quite like to have been able to offer Janusz Kolodziej a place. But I guess they can't now. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> put it this way subedei,nicholls WILL be offered a place,whether he accepts it or not i could'nt say,but if he does,would you be willing to offer 10/1 on him making the top 8 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 ok then my offer of 10/1 on jagus finishing in the top 8,extends to you as well. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Facing facts, we're basically waiting for the likes of Gollob, Adams and Hancock to shuffle off into retirement for a fundamental change in the GP standings. I wouldn't bet against all three being in the top eight again next season, together with Crump, Nicki P and Jonsson. Hampel might make a push, but I'm not holding my breath and Zagar might consolidate or he might have a "reality check" season and dip out. So, basically, Jagus and everyone else is really fighting for a couple of places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caristom Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Facing facts, we're basically waiting for the likes of Gollob, Adams and Hancock to shuffle off into retirement for a fundamental change in the GP standings. I wouldn't bet against all three being in the top eight again next season, together with Crump, Nicki P and Jonsson. Hampel might make a push, but I'm not holding my breath and Zagar might consolidate or he might have a "reality check" season and dip out. So, basically, Jagus and everyone else is really fighting for a couple of places. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i note you did'nt mention andersen,who avoiding injury is an absolute cert to finish top 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 put it this way subedei,nicholls WILL be offered a place,whether he accepts it or not i could'nt say,but if he does,would you be willing to offer 10/1 on him making the top 8 ? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm not a gambling man. I did, however, say he wouldn't qualify this season. And he hasn't. If BSI take pity on him and fill his begging bowl then so be it. But it'll do him no good. All it will signify is that he doesn't need to bother trying to better himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 i note you did'nt mention andersen,who avoiding injury is an absolute cert to finish top 5 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Truth to tell, I'd completely forgotten about Nicholls' bete noire. I'm not so sure about Andersen. Yes he's had a great season this year, but he's had a point to prove. It will be interesting to see how he gets along next season. Yes, he'll probably be top eight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caristom Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 I'm not a gambling man. I did, however, say he wouldn't qualify this season. And he hasn't. If BSI take pity on him and fill his begging bowl then so be it. But it'll do him no good. All it will signify is that he doesn't need to bother trying to better himself. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> but would he have,if he had ridden in all 10 gp's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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