Subedei Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Only because it is Gollobs home track. Face up to it mate he is a has been when it comes to GP's. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not true, in any sense. Bydgoszcz is no longer Gollob's home track - he's ridden for Tarnow for the past three seasons, or hadn't you noticed that? And Eskilstuna is Nicholls' home track in Sweden, but he didn't make the final there this season. But guess who did? Yes, that's right, the old "has been" Tomasz Gollob. In fact, Gollob made three finals this season, which isn't too bad for a has been. And I guess one final isn't too bad for a never will be like Nicholls. And I am merely stating the exact same case as Nicholls. He has said himself that if he couldn't qualify on merit he didn't deserve to be in the GPs. I just don't see how anyone can argue the point. In the 46 GPs that he's ridden in, Nicholls has made a scant 4 finals. Not very good, is it? He's had his chance and has shown he's just not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robpeasley Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Subedei, I understand your wish that the GP series should contest of the best 15 riders in the world. But your arguement on here is full of holes. Anyone can see that Nicholls probably would have qualified for the GP series had he not missed the Czech round. OK, he's only made one final, but he's also made most of the semi-finals, suggesting he is competitive enough in the GP meetings. As for suggesting that Kolodziej and Ulamek are amongst the best 15 riders in the world, do me a favour. They are good riders, but they certainly would not be as competitive in the GP series as Nicholls. Yes, there's a lot of us worried about the lack of top British riders at the moment, and it also concerns me when I travel to Poland and witness a much better organised league than those in Britain. But don't take it out on Nicholls, who is the only World class British rider about at the moment. All the best Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIROUT Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Subdei If he had not missed a GP i would agree with you...but he did and had he not missed it may well have been ahead of Hampel and Gollob.....End of Story.....how can you say he has failed when he missed out on qualification because of a broken collarbone......Just the same as Hampel last year.....Fact is had Nicholls not been out for that GP it would have been Hampel out with the begging bowl for the 2nd year running.......Still you have not told us youre gripe with Nicholls....You are so passionate about it that it must be more than just fairness that you are fighting against.... jirout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Subdei If he had not missed a GP i would agree with you...but he did and had he not missed it may well have been ahead of Hampel and Gollob.....End of Story.....how can you say he has failed when he missed out on qualification because of a broken collarbone......Just the same as Hampel last year.....Fact is had Nicholls not been out for that GP it would have been Hampel out with the begging bowl for the 2nd year running.......Still you have not told us youre gripe with Nicholls....You are so passionate about it that it must be more than just fairness that you are fighting against.... jirout <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I am passionate about fairness and justice. Hampel missed three GPs last season, not just the one. And if Hampel hadn't qualified this season, you'd not have seen me putting forward his case. I'm only suggesting BP should be included because he qualified for 2006. Personally, I think BP will struggle again in 2007. But he deserves a second chance. Nicholls has had his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIROUT Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Is there a rule that you are only allowed 2 chances then...or are you just making it up:-) As for British Speedway ...i firmly believe we would have more quality riders if we stopped riders such as Burza,Rempala,etc taken the easy money and allowing them to ride in our 2nd tier league.....It was always Brits and Commonwealth..now anyone can come in and take jobs from our youngsters Jirout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 As for British Speedway ...i firmly believe we would have more quality riders if we stopped riders such as Burza,Rempala,etc taken the easy money and allowing them to ride in our 2nd tier league.....It was always Brits and Commonwealth..now anyone can come in and take jobs from our youngsters Jirout <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Blame Ronnie Russell, not me, for foreign riders in the second tier of British speedway. So, how many chances do you advocate? Hans Andersen got a couple of chances and was then kicked out. He was a failing type as well, although he did have a GP win in his locker at the time. Would it be such a disaster for the undeserving Nicholls to be kicked out? Or would Nicholls be forced to reassess his career and come out with something to prove. At the minute you seem to be advocating an entry for Nicholls no matter what. Doesn't give much incentive, does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwf Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 It is pretty much guarenteed that Nicholls will be offered one of the BSI picks for next year. Whether he accepts is up to him. There will more than likely be two Brits in the GP series next year, the second choice being between Harris and Stead. Yes, it is a shame that we have to rely on BSI's charity but that is why they have their four choices. It is purely for business reasons and i would expect them to do the same for Sweden, Denmark or Poland if they were in the same position as British speedway is at the moment. All BSI are doing is maximising their earning potential. If nobody watched speedway on Sky in Britain then i dont expect we would get any favours at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIROUT Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Subdei If Scott had ridden like Lee Richardson i would say yes he was undeserving....However he reached 7 semi finals out of 9...Now quite rightly you will point out he only reached 1 final....which would have been 2 but for a dodgy refs decision....a Pole i believe........However next year..he may reach 5 semi finals but 3 finals.,..its swings and roundabouts....He does deserve to be in the GPs...just as Hans deserved to be in it this year... jirout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Subdei If Scott had ridden like Lee Richardson i would say yes he was undeserving....However he reached 7 semi finals out of 9...Now quite rightly you will point out he only reached 1 final....which would have been 2 but for a dodgy refs decision....a Pole i believe........However next year..he may reach 5 semi finals but 3 finals.,..its swings and roundabouts....He does deserve to be in the GPs...just as Hans deserved to be in it this year... jirout <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Knock that back down to one young fellow, since most agreed Nicholls got a huge slice of luck when he wasn't thrown out for barging over Zagar. But, I agree, he was hard done by when Andersen went over. I didn't believe Andersen deserved to be in it this season. And events have proved me correct. Andersen realised the GPs weren't a free ride and he uped his game. Maybe if Andersen had been in from the start, he'd have been the same as he was in 2005 - dismal, for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 It is pretty much guarenteed that Nicholls will be offered one of the BSI picks for next year. Whether he accepts is up to him. There will more than likely be two Brits in the GP series next year, the second choice being between Harris and Stead. Yes, it is a shame that we have to rely on BSI's charity but that is why they have their four choices. It is purely for business reasons and i would expect them to do the same for Sweden, Denmark or Poland if they were in the same position as British speedway is at the moment. All BSI are doing is maximising their earning potential. If nobody watched speedway on Sky in Britain then i dont expect we would get any favours at all. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The thing is, old fruit, that emerging nations are coming along and soon they'll be looking for GP spots. The Germans have an emerging group of young riders, led by Smolinski and Hefenbrock; Russia is emerging with the likes of Gafurov and Sajfutdinov; while Croatia has Jurica Pavlic fast coming through. It will get ever harder for the FIM to justify giving Britain such charity in the face of justified claims from these nations, together with the richly talent-endowed existing nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 That is a good point Sub.If the rumours about Germany and Russia hosting GP's soon then the pressure is on other countries to lose a wildcard place.That really means us,short term.Ok we have the Italian and Czech GP's without permanent representation but i don't think they can expand too far without giving a place to one or other emerging country.And if one of the One-off wildcards does well in their home GP(like Zagar and Andersen),it becomes hard to exclude them from further GP's.I could well imagine Gafurov doing well in a Russian GP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south coast robin Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Is there a rule that you are only allowed 2 chances then...or are you just making it up:-) As for British Speedway ...i firmly believe we would have more quality riders if we stopped riders such as Burza,Rempala,etc taken the easy money and allowing them to ride in our 2nd tier league.....It was always Brits and Commonwealth..now anyone can come in and take jobs from our youngsters Jirout <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Spot on . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Scott Nicholls has already said that if he doesn't qualify as of right then he doesn't deserve to be there. I'd hope he'd have enough integrity to live up to those words and decline any invitation proferred. He was sixth when he got injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 I think it will be Nicholls and Bomber, or perhaps the reason a certain rider was out at 5 am the morning before a gp was because he was informed of BSI's decision and was drowning his sorrows....... just idle speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 He was sixth when he got injured. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> All that matters is where he finished. And he finished out of the qualifying places, AGAIN. So, come on all you failure apologists, exactly how many chances does Nicholls get before he finally gets shown the door? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 The thing is, old fruit, that emerging nations are coming along and soon they'll be looking for GP spots. The Germans have an emerging group of young riders, led by Smolinski and Hefenbrock; Russia is emerging with the likes of Gafurov and Sajfutdinov; while Croatia has Jurica Pavlic fast coming through. It will get ever harder for the FIM to justify giving Britain such charity in the face of justified claims from these nations, together with the richly talent-endowed existing nations. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I would go back to the old format with more riders in it... In my view it was more cut throat and more exciting.. The best rider still ended up world champion at the end.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 (edited) All that matters is where he finished. And he finished out of the qualifying places, AGAIN. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So by your logic if Crump rode in two Gp's and got injured.. all that mattered was where he finished... Turf him out!! Edited October 1, 2006 by The Cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 So by your logic if Crump rode in two Gp's and got injured.. all that mattered was where he finished... Turf him out!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No, Jason Crump would have the safety net of having qualified the previous season to fall back on. As I've always maintained, people should get a second chance. But, come on now, exactly how many chances should your beloved serial failure get? He's already gone on record as saying if he couldn't qualify by right this season - and he didn't - he's not worthy of a place. He said that, now how can you argue the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 (edited) No, Jason Crump would have the safety net of having qualified the previous season to fall back on. As I've always maintained, people should get a second chance. But, come on now, exactly how many chances should your beloved serial failure get? He's already gone on record as saying if he couldn't qualify by right this season - and he didn't - he's not worthy of a place. He said that, now how can you argue the point? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He is not my favourite rider.. but you are missing the point and getting mixed up in your own arguments... Think you now just have a chip on your shoulder about this one and miss the big picture... Edited October 1, 2006 by The Cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 I see the "big picture" clearly - the big picture is the world speedway championship being defiled by the continued presence of a serial failure in spite of disregard for making the effort to qualify. The "big picture" is that Nicholls has already acknowledged the damage and harm it does by saying that his continued presence would not be justified if he didn't qualify. Don't you care about integrity in this sport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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