Subedei Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 The fact he is 11th in the GP standings is a good signing IMO. Also, it's my opinion, based on his performances in the SWC, GP's and various other meetings and leagues. I'd also argue Bjarne Pedersen is probably worthy of a place too. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That 5.60 average in the Polish league is just so impressive. And he's way below Wieslaw Jagus - a team mate at Smerderna - in the Swedish averages. Don't base your assessment solely on the BEL where top riders are missing from the action. And there's only fifteen people in the GPs, so 11th is hardly that impressive. And he didn't even deserve to be there in the first place. My opinion is that Nicholls might just sneak into the top twenty in the world. But never in a million years the top fifteen. As for Bjarne Pedersen - he qualified last season and deserves another go, although I suspect that BP has passed the high point in his career. I think he'll slip out next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south coast robin Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 If you look at the Elite averages , barring probably Gollob and Hampel , you more or less can pick out the top 15 in the world , and Nicholls is in there . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzman Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 I am currently trying to compose a World Rankings system but finding it hard to 'level' points system. Either option I choose, the system will damned because of BSI's selective choosing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 If you look at the Elite averages , barring probably Gollob and Hampel , you more or less can pick out the top 15 in the world , and Nicholls is in there . <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And Jonsson and Holta. Nicholls might sneak into the top twenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willp Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 scotty is certainly one of the top 15 riders, he finished 11th in the world this year and how many semi finals did he make? scott made most of the semi's, i know he only scrapped in most of the time but you are telling me that doesn't qualify to being in the top 15? if you Subedei are so certain that he shouldn't be in the top 15 then please feel free to tell us who you think are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Jason Crump, Greg Hancock, Nicki Pedersen, Andreas Jonsson, Leigh Adams, Matej Zagar, Hans Andersen, Tomasz Gollob, Jaroslaw Hampel, Rune Holta, Peter Karlsson, Wieslaw Jagus, Bjarne Pedersen, Janusz Kolodziej and Sebastian Ulamek. Now, answer me this question: Nicholls fails to qualify next time around, what's your opinion? How many unjustified nominations does Nicholls deserve? In my view, Nicholls shouldn't have been in the GPs this season. And I believe my view was proved right when Nicholls again failed to make the grade. Who cares about semi-finals? You get nothing for being in them. And half the time Nicholls just scrambles into them via countback. One final in the past three seasons is all the evidence needed to prove that Nicholls isn't good enough. No one else gets so many chances to fail. Lee Richardson appears a cast iron certainty to be dropped this time around, but he's made more finals that Nicholls in the last three seasons. And Nicholls only made that solitary final after he shoved over Matej Zagar - only got 2nd place in the GP because Crump was kind enough to move Andersen over allowing Nicholls passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwf Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Janusz Kolodziej and Sebastian Ulamek? - Subedei - If "Nicholls might sneak into the top twenty" then i guess you have another 4 names to add to your list?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Janusz Kolodziej and Sebastian Ulamek? - Subedei - If "Nicholls might sneak into the top twenty" then i guess you have another 4 names to add to your list?? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Janusz Kolodziej's season was undermined by injury, but easily a superior rider to Nicholls. Ulamek's performed better than Nicholls in Poland and Sweden. Anyway, it's all academic - Nicholls himself stated that if he couldn't qualify on merit then he didn't deserve to be there. There were two methods of qualification available - finish top eight (nine) in the GPs or top three in the qualifier. The qualifier lay beneath Nicholl's princely status and he couldn't qualify via the top eight. I just don't see how any reasonable person can argue for his includion after THREE years of failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willp Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Janusz Kolodziej and Sebastian Ulamek - your havin a laugh. yeah, they are good riders but top 15 in the world, come on. surely you class scott and antonio lindback higher than those two? in reply to your last comment, if scotty is so bad why does he make the semi finals then? surely if he makes the semi's he is one of the best 8 riders on the night. he was on course to make the top 8 until he broke his collerbone so is he that bad? if you class bjarne pedersen as top 15 then surely scott should be in there as well as he finished higher in this years standings than him! somebody tell me if im going wrong somewhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julie Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 somebody tell me if im going wrong somewhere! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not necessarily wrong - but you'll never win this argument! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Well last year they went as far down as 11th when handing out the wildcards. Unsurprisingly that was another wasted wildcard as the rider concerned failed miserably to finish in the top eight again. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You are talking about Hampel who had finished 11th in 2005, 13 points off 8th place, having missed 3 of the 9 GP's through injury. So reasonable to say he would have reached the top 8 given a full season. Don't think you can say he "failed miserably" to reach the top 8 this year. He is only one place and 3 points off that goal(reaching 3 finals) and that is suffice to qualify as of right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Furthermore it will be very difficult to justify offering a wildcard to Pedersen and not Nicholls. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This would be the Bjarne Pedersen who finished - if my memory serves - sixth last time around and has actually won a GP in the past? I think BP deserves another chance. He had a disappointing season this year, but he qualified fair and square for the series. I've always advocated giving people a second chance. But the time comes to say enough is enough. If Bjarne Pedersen struggles next year like he has this year, you'll not find me arguing his case. Ship him out and let someone else have a bash at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIROUT Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Subdei I am guessing you are Polish as you have 6 Poles in your GP Line up.......I can safely say i have not read such a load of rubbish for a long time.... You obviously have some sort of gripe against Mr Nicholls...im not sure what for...perhaps he did not ride well for your Polish Club.....but come on Ulamek a better rider than Nicholls.......Kolodziej a better rider than Nicholls.....Jagus a better rider than Nicholls.........In my opinion Nicholls is also now a better rider than both Gollob and Hampel.......Lets be honest take away the GPs from Poland and Gollob does not qualify...end of story.....Nicholls missed 1 GP through injury in Prague in which he scored 14 last year....He missed out on qualifying by 9 points..... Jirout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 You are having a laugh? Nicholls better than Gollob, Hampel and Jagus? Gollob and Jonsson made Nicholls look like a novice in Ht 18 last week. And Gollob, Hampel and Jagus qualified on merit. Nicholls could've qualified on merit. But it seems qualifying lies beneath his princely status. Nicholls and Jagus are team mates in Sweden. And guess which of the two's performed better this season? I'll give you a clue, he's not a serial failure in the GPs who has to rely on pity and charity to maintain his status as a GP rider. I just don't see what anyone can find to argue about here. Nicholls said failure to qualify via the top eight would mean he just doesn't deserve to be there. How can anyone argue the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIROUT Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Subdei Ok mate fair enough ...Never gonna change ya mind...just hope Scott does get a wild card cos i believe the GP Series would be very dull with a load of gating poles in it(Gollob apart). So are you gonna tell me what you have against Scott then Jirout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Subdei Ok mate fair enough ...Never gonna change ya mind...just hope Scott does get a wild card cos i believe the GP Series would be very dull with a load of gating poles in it(Gollob apart). So are you gonna tell me what you have against Scott then Jirout <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nothing other than that people seem to believe he has a God-given right to be in the GPs regardless of constant failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 (edited) Subdei I am guessing you are Polish as you have 6 Poles in your GP Line up.......I can safely say i have not read such a load of rubbish for a long time.... You obviously have some sort of gripe against Mr Nicholls...im not sure what for...perhaps he did not ride well for your Polish Club.....but come on Ulamek a better rider than Nicholls.......Kolodziej a better rider than Nicholls.....Jagus a better rider than Nicholls.........In my opinion Nicholls is also now a better rider than both Gollob and Hampel.......Lets be honest take away the GPs from Poland and Gollob does not qualify...end of story.....Nicholls missed 1 GP through injury in Prague in which he scored 14 last year....He missed out on qualifying by 9 points.....Think even an idiot would realise he deserved a wild card place Jirout <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well said... this constant slating is getting boring now! If Nicholls had ridden in the GP he missed he may well have qualified by right... is that not why seedings are given to protect riders who got injured?! By your own logic Sub, Ulamek is not good enough.. He failed to even make the GP final (Seb is a a great bloke and i have great respect for him).. As for Jagus over Nicholls, i am sure Scott would ouscore him by two Points if he rode here... Nicholls rides in all 3 leagues Jagus does not fancy the UK.. Karlsson failed to qualify so why is he in your line up, Why Kolodziej and Ulamek over Harris who was second in line... Mate your ranting is getting boring! Edited September 30, 2006 by The Cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Mate your ranting is getting boring! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's not ranting, it's a call for honesty, integrity and justice. It's a call for British speedway to get off its knees and stop relying on the crumbs from the plate of other nations. It's a call for British speedway to stop begging for special favours. Nicholls has said himself that if he didn't qualify by right that it would mean he has no business being there. Why argue with the words of your hero? It will bring disgrace and shame on British speedway if Nicholls lines up for the GPs in 2007. And assuming another complete failure (and who would bet against that given his track record?), what excuses are you going to pull, like so many rabbits from the magician's hat, to justify another nomination for Nicholls? For all you know, Jagus might outscore Nicholls in the UK. After all, Jagus outscores Nicholls in Sweden and Poland. And Jagus doesn't consider such hard work as qualifying as being beneath him. When he lines up for the 2007 series, Jagus, like Gollob and Hampel, will know that he has a right to be there. Nicholls, if he has any sense of right and wrong, will know he doesn't. As I see it, eleven riders have already qualified and they are broken up into nationalities thus: Poland - 3 Australia - 2 Denmark 2 Sweden - 1 Norway - 1 United States - 1 Slovenia - 1 So, why demean the Poles? There they stand, proudly atop the qualification list. I don't see any British representation, do you? Stop swallowing your pride in the last days of Britain's speedway imperium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marron Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 You are having a laugh?Nicholls better than Gollob, Hampel and Jagus? Gollob and Jonsson made Nicholls look like a novice in Ht 18 last week. And Gollob, Hampel and Jagus qualified on merit. Nicholls could've qualified on merit. But it seems qualifying lies beneath his princely status. Nicholls and Jagus are team mates in Sweden. And guess which of the two's performed better this season? I'll give you a clue, he's not a serial failure in the GPs who has to rely on pity and charity to maintain his status as a GP rider. I just don't see what anyone can find to argue about here. Nicholls said failure to qualify via the top eight would mean he just doesn't deserve to be there. How can anyone argue the point? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Only because it is Gollobs home track. Face up to it mate he is a has been when it comes to GP's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIROUT Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 Subdei You use the words Disgrace and Shame to describe the fact that Nicholls may be picked as a wild card for next years GPs.... Jirout Edited by mod - attack the post not the poster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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