Subedei Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Since when have I said Nicholls is my "hero".You really like making things up to distract from what an idiot you have made yourself out to be. If you had bothered to take in what I have said on this issue, in that I agree Nicholls should not be in the GPs,however you continue to resort to name calling, insults and stomping your feet like a pathetic 5 yr old just because those nasty people at BSI wont listen to you. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Call me all the names you like, for I am serene in the knowledge that I am right and have proved right. I was right that Nicholls wouldn't qualify for 2007, right that the corrupting influence of BSI would throw a few coppers in his hat and right that Nicholls wouldn't have the self-respect or character to refuse a nomination. Dear me, right on so many fronts. And next year I'll probably get to watch everyone squirm as they again justify a nomination for a second rate rider from a second rate speedway nation in the GPs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willp Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 getting back to the really meaning of this thread, im delighted scotty and bomber are in next years series. i know sub is going disagree but they are in there now so just leave the subject please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 getting back to the really meaning of this thread, im delighted scotty and bomber are in next years series. i know sub is going disagree but they are in there now so just leave the subject please. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm pleased for Harris, although I suspect he will be a little out of his depth. However, Harris is a rider I've a bit of time for and he does seem able to rise to the occasion. He's certainly far more deserving than either Nicholls or Stead and I hope that he does himself justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironside Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 cant wait for next year, the fantastic duals between messrs pedersen, crump, anderson, nicholls and the bomber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Schumi Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 The two others wildcards went to....................... Antonio Lindbäck SWE Bjarne Pedersen DEN <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks for that information. Both deserve to be there. Good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caristom Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Call me all the names you like, for I am serene in the knowledge that I am right and have proved right. I was right that Nicholls wouldn't qualify for 2007, right that the corrupting influence of BSI would throw a few coppers in his hat and right that Nicholls wouldn't have the self-respect or character to refuse a nomination. Dear me, right on so many fronts. And next year I'll probably get to watch everyone squirm as they again justify a nomination for a second rate rider from a second rate speedway nation in the GPs. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> sorry,your wrong,scott nicholls DID qualify for next years gp's. he qualified(and quite rightly)through the wild card system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speediebee Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 But my crusade will carry on. A crusade for justice and probity in the world of speedway. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nothing wrong with that, infact I would agree its an noble objective and I genuinely wish you well with your quest. But you dont say how this injustice can be eliminated, I mean under the present format, part qualification part invite, its inevitable. If we go to 100% qualification you should get riders there on their own merit, but do you think that BSI would want to lose that degree of comercial control? As things stand at the moment, on merit alone, you would probably end up with a field of predominantly Poles, Swedes and Danes, Im not sure BSI would be too happy with that. Maybe the answer is that we have an old style one off World Championship based upon qualification and merit, together with a Grand Prix series made up of invites/nominations from each country. In my opinion the real problem is that the FIM have sold the rights and therefore control, of their greatest asset, the World Championship, to a third party comercial business enterprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwf Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Nothing wrong with that, infact I would agree its an noble objective and I genuinely wish you well with your quest. But you dont say how this injustice can be eliminated, I mean under the present format, part qualification part invite, its inevitable. If we go to 100% qualification you should get riders there on their own merit, but do you think that BSI would want to lose that degree of comercial control? As things stand at the moment, on merit alone, you would probably end up with a field of predominantly Poles, Swedes and Danes, Im not sure BSI would be too happy with that. Maybe the answer is that we have an old style one off World Championship based upon qualification and merit, together with a Grand Prix series made up of invites/nominations from each country. In my opinion the real problem is that the FIM have sold the rights and therefore control, of their greatest asset, the World Championship, to a third party comercial business enterprise. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Agree totally with you here. BSI are in control of the GPs and as such want to satisfy as many of their potential markets as possible. They would probably prefer to have more "nominated" riders each year so they could cast their commercial net even wider. As it stands to make the qualification/nomination system fairer, more emphasis should be placed on chosing riders who have committed themselves to the qualification process. If I were PK I would be mightily agrieved this year, having fought through to the final of the GP qualifier only to be usurped by riders who hadnt qualified via the top 8 or bothered to enter the qualifiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 I shall address your points in due course, but first I should like to bring my latest concern, which shows that this is not a obsession about Nicholls, but a quest for integrity. I see, in the list of nominations that Rune Holta is listed as a Pole. This can't be right? The initial Polish qualifying route was the Golden Helmet, won by Tomasz Gollob, that Holta declined to ride in. As far as I remember Holta qualified as a Norwegian and must be listed as Norwegian. If he's now a Pole again, I feel his qualification should be cast aside. The guy has to make his mind up whether he's Polish or Norwegian and not be allowed to pick and choose as he sees fit during the course of a season. It's wrong. Now, to your points. Of course BSI hate qualifiers. Qualifiers mean the likes of Jagus gatecrashing their party and leaving them no room to bring through Kolodziej. And you can be sure that Kolodziej would've been nominated had the ridiculous "quota" system for Poles been already full. Do you think they'd have selected Jagus if the same system as last season had been in force? Not a chance. So why was it changed? Why did the FIM stand up to BSI and insist on qualifiers? Because the public demanded it. That's why. BSI aren't that powerful that they can stand against popular opinion. The speedway public demanded qualification process and BSI partly capitulated. If the speedway public had swung behind me, Nicholls would've been cast aside. But instead everyone cried that Nicholls had to be in. So, how do we effect this change and lead speedway into a bright new future? Stand up to the corrupting, malignant influence of BSI and demand a verifiably just GP series. Together, friends, we can save speedway. Boycott Cardiff and show BSI that we don't want British riders in on charity, but on merit. Make them change. We have the power and we have right on our side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 sorry,your wrong,scott nicholls DID qualify for next years gp's. he qualified(and quite rightly)through the wild card system <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Okay, please inform me of how riders entered this qualification process, under what criteria this process was undertaken, what were the checks and balances to ensure probity in the system. You can't. And why not? Because it is corrupt. Now, please, stop spouting balderdash and poppycock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 But i said at the time,Holta choosing the Norwegian route was good for everyone including the Polish federation.And at the time i said i wouldn't be surprised if they hadn't suggested it,if there was any need.That way they got an extra rider in the Qualifying competition and unltimately the GP's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 But i said at the time,Holta choosing the Norwegian route was good for everyone including the Polish federation.And at the time i said i wouldn't be surprised if they hadn't suggested it,if there was any need.That way they got an extra rider in the Qualifying competition and unltimately the GP's. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Doesn't make it right. And, as you know, I am in the business of properness, justice and righteousness. As I remember, the Poles were somewhat annoyed that Holta declined to ride in the prestigeous Golden Helmet and kicked him out of their SWC squad after he decided he was Norwegian. Anyway, Gollob chose not to compete in the qualifiers, but as has been shown recently this was because he was pondering his future and had he failed to qualify by right, he'd possibly have declined a nomination. Further proof of the greatness of the man, a shining example to the likes of Nicholls and his ilk, who believe the world owes them a GP place regardless of their ineptitude in the GPs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houdi Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 "Whoring about". You really are one sad individual. Still with level of intelligence you portray in your posts its not surprising. And your "crusade" to get Nicholls excluded from the GPs is one big failure also. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Come on Russ don't be too hard on him.Just savour the moment we all had in the Belle Vue bar las night-as we all imagined the glorious thought of that rather sad individual deep in his bunker at his northern outpost-foaming at the mouth,shaking with rage at the perceived injustice of his anti christ Scott getting a GP spot. Gee now we can look forward to 100's more posts over the next few months,with spite and bile pouring forth on a daily basis.To try and guess how many 100's of different ways he can say the same damn thing-priceless! And finally when we all have lost the will to live Scott will still be in the GP's. Plus if us poor deluded Bees fans are really lucky,he may even grace us with a visit 1day.You know leave the bunker behind and watch an Elite league match.He has been known to visit every couple of years.Althoughwith the number of hopeless Brits in our team,and the fact we sacked 1 of his beloved Poles,the ever so reliable Hlib,maybe even that is doubtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Come on Russ don't be too hard on him.Just savour the moment we all had in the Belle Vue bar las night-as we all imagined the glorious thought of that rather sad individual deep in his bunker at his northern outpost-foaming at the mouth,shaking with rage at the perceived injustice of his anti christ Scott getting a GP spot. Gee now we can look forward to 100's more posts over the next few months,with spite and bile pouring forth on a daily basis.To try and guess how many 100's of different ways he can say the same damn thing-priceless! And finally when we all have lost the will to live Scott will still be in the GP's. Plus if us poor deluded Bees fans are really lucky,he may even grace us with a visit 1day.You know leave the bunker behind and watch an Elite league match.He has been known to visit every couple of years.Althoughwith the number of hopeless Brits in our team,and the fact we sacked 1 of his beloved Poles,the ever so reliable Hlib,maybe even that is doubtful. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I hate to shatter your illusions, but I was in blissful ignorance of Nicholls' inclusion until this morning, since I was being corporately entertained last evening. However, as you may find if you look, I did say I expected Postlethwaite to announce Nicholls' inclusion at the meeting. And I was under no illusions that there'd be anything other than grovelling acceptance by the serial failure. Nicholls may still be in the GPs, but hopefully one day he'll be there on merit. But don't you go holding your breath waiting for that to happen. If it makes you happy, I'll deign to visit Brandon again. During my last visit I searched in vain for the deluded memebers of the Cult of Jonsson, but couldn't find any. I'm guessing the same will be the case on this occasion. I'm easy enough to find. I'll post on here before I come. Please do come and say hello and don't hide in the shadows like the Cult of Jonsson types did. I can, occasionally, be quite a friendly old Mongol. I just believe in honour, justice and integrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 As posted what seems like 100's of pages ago, 2 British Bees in next years G.P.'s, great stuff. The undisputed British Number 1 and the battling, never give up, exciting Bomber. Will be right behind the Brits, as usual, and also looking forward to admiring once again, the thrilling riding skills of my non-British favourite, A.J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Anyway, any chance of those among you who posted that you want to see "the best 15 riders" in the GP coming on and criticising Harris' inclusion. I doubt any of you are deluded enough to say that Harris is superior to Kolodziej. In fact, SCB has already undergone a "Road to Damascus" experience and has posted that he agrees with qualification being the criteria and that Harris, 5th in the qualifer final, deserves his place. The somersaults, twists and turns are just beginning. If you justify Nicholls - falsely in view - as being top 15 in the world, you can't justify Harris. And if you justify Harris, 5th in the qualifer final, you can't justify Nicholls. Thus, I was right all along, just as I knew I was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerblues Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 But my crusade will carry on. A crusade for justice and probity in the world of speedway. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Good luck with that Congratulations Scott and Chris on getting in for next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Congratulations Scott and Chris on getting in for next year <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Exactly what have either of them done to deserve congratulating? Nicholls failed to qualify and so did Harris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwf Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Exactly what have either of them done to deserve congratulating? Nicholls failed to qualify and so did Harris. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> At least Harris attempted to qualify through the correct channels. I know he finished 5th, but in a proper qualifying system that may have been good enough to get him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 (edited) At least Harris attempted to qualify through the correct channels. I know he finished 5th, but in a proper qualifying system that may have been good enough to get him in. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes he did and full credit to him for that. In the end he just wasn't good enough on the day. I'd be content to see Harris do well in the GPs. As for the shamefully, shameless Nicholls, who must rank as a bigger charity than the RSPCA, I shall be content to see him continue his record of serial, dismal failure. Edited October 10, 2006 by Subedei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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