Subedei Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 And nobody can argue with that................ surely? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You'd be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Schumi Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Have Coventry made Mr Nicholls avaiable for ttransfer then? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You've been drinking again, haven't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 You'd be surprised. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actually, I wouldn't. You've been drinking again, haven't you? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not as much as you last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Icicle Thief Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 This thread has a real perverse side to it. It's like looking at a road accident. You know what it's going to look like, you know you shouldn't look, but still you do. An then you wish you hadn't. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree 100% its just so addictive I can't avoid it, managed to give up arguing with our mongolian friend but just cant stop looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Actually, I wouldn't. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I mean, young Moses, look at SCB's last post. He declares Nicholls hasn't failed before adding: ok, he has failed to make the top 3, failed to make the top 8 Where's the logic there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 But Jonsson, Gollob and Adams have failed to be World Champion. So they're GP failures too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 But Jonsson, Gollob and Adams have failed to be World Champion. So they're GP failures too. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, in that context, I agree. But the pertinent context is qualification. And generally the trio you name have, year on year, qualified by right for the following series. Nicholls, on the other hand, has now failed three years running. Now come on, let's have some intellectual honesty around here. I'd have had you and your cohorts loudly and longly shoving a Nicholls qualification down my throat, had he qualified. But he didn't. So let's have some humility out of you. You were wrong, I was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Know Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 Scott has lost the plot, he has a good team around him, good equipment, good sponsors and the bsi like him. His problem is looking at other people when he fails time and time again, if only he put as much effort into riding as moaning he would be a multi world champion. He needs a good kick up the backside for as much as i dislike the chap he is FAST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 (edited) He needs a good kick up the backside for as much as i dislike the chap he is FAST. Not that fast though. At Coventry he regularly gets beaten this season by the opposing number ones. On Friday he couldn't get anywhere near Crumpy but Rory Schlien was right on his tail for 4 laps. Edited October 8, 2006 by Gemini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robpeasley Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 Sub, I notice although you have now posted 138 times(!!!) on this subject, you still haven't given 15 riders in the world who I consider to be better than Scott Nicholls. Until you do, I will remain convinced that Scott Nicholls is deserving of his 2007 place, not because of his nationality, but because he is, in my opinion, around the 11th or 12th best rider in the world, and therefore should be in the GP. Back to you mate, did you come up with better examples than Kolodziej and Seb Ulamek?? Now, if you were to direct your arguments towards the second British rider likely to be seeded into next year's GP series, then you would have a much, much better argument, as I fail to see a second British rider who is amongst the world's best 15 and yet you can bet your bottom dollar that a second British rider will be in the 2007 GP series. My own rankings (not calculated, but simply my opinion): 1. Jason Crump 2. Hans Andersen 3. Greg Hancock 4. Nicki Pedersen 5. Andreas Jonsson 6. Leigh Adams 7. Matej Zagar 8. Tomasz Gollob 9. Jarek Hampel 10. Peter Karlsson 11. Antonio Lindback 12. Scott Nicholls 13. Bjarne Pedersen 14. Wieslaw Jagus 15. Rune Holta All the best Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 (edited) Sub, I notice although you have now posted 138 times(!!!) on this subject, you still haven't given 15 riders in the world who I consider to be better than Scott Nicholls. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I've given my list of fifteen riders I consider better than Nicholls. If you don't consider them better, well you're wrong. And it doesn't really matter anyway. The criteria for qualification was known at the start of the season. Finish top eight (effectvely now ninth with Andersen included) and you're in, or finish top three in the qualifier. For the third season running, global superstar Nicholls couldn't manage eighth (ninth) and couldn't get off his not inconsiderable behind to compete in the qualifiers - he also, incidentally, broke Kolodziej's collarbone, denying the young Pole a chance to qualify. Nicholls shouldn't be in and if he is in it will shame the sport. Edited October 8, 2006 by Subedei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robpeasley Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 Subedei wrote: "I've given my list of fifteen riders I consider better than Nicholls. If you don't consider them better, well you're wrong." Sub, I admire you for sticking to your guns mate, however wrong you may be. As we well know, Nicholls WILL be in the 2007 GP series, so let's defer the argument to the end of 2007, and then discuss whether Nicholls was a worthy representative in the 2007 GP series. All the best Rob P.S. Just a reminder of our little bet regarding Gollob becoming World Champion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 Subedei wrote: "I've given my list of fifteen riders I consider better than Nicholls. If you don't consider them better, well you're wrong." Sub, I admire you for sticking to your guns mate, however wrong you may be. As we well know, Nicholls WILL be in the 2007 GP series, so let's defer the argument to the end of 2007, and then discuss whether Nicholls was a worthy representative in the 2007 GP series. All the best Rob P.S. Just a reminder of our little bet regarding Gollob becoming World Champion... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was meaning to contact you about that wager. I'll shortly be making a donation to one of cheetahhawk's chosen charities and thought I'd make it a double donation by including our wager. But I'd forgotten the sum involved. I believe it was £25, but I'm not sure. Anyway, in two out of the three major leagues, both Kolodziej and Ulamek have superior averages to Nicholls. So an arguement that they're superior to Nicholls is valid. Stop viewing the world through the narrow prism of the British Elite League. I notice Wieslaw Jagus beneath Nicholls in your list - yet Jagus has made as many finals as Nicholls this season and has a superior average to him in Sweden and Poland. Again you're viewing the world through a narrow, chauvinistic prism. You probably wouldn't have included Jagus if he hadn't qualified for the GPs and reached the final in Bydgoszcz. you need to broaden your horizens. And your point about judging his inclusion for 2007 at the end of that season, why don't we judge his inclusion for 2006 on the basis of his failure in 2006. Yes, he got an unjustified nomination for 2006 and as has been proved, he wasn't worthy of it. And now you want to judge him after 2007? What's the point? You and the deluded like you will still argue for his inclusion in 2008. Nicholls knew the rules at the outset. If he can't qualify via the GPs and can't be bothered to enter the qualifiers, he's got absolutely no right to be in the GPs whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robpeasley Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 Subedei wrote: "I was meaning to contact you about that wager. I'll shortly be making a donation to one of cheetahhawk's chosen charities and thought I'd make it a double donation by including our wager. But I'd forgotten the sum involved. I believe it was £25, but I'm not sure." Sub, I can't remember the exact amount, but that's a brilliant idea, please go ahead. All the best Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzman Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 I am not liking this current bad vibe off people for a someone's opinion, It's a forum, the main reason people should come on here its to discuss viewpoints and hear to whatever people say. I admire certain people's opinions like SCB for example who is willing to argue in a constructive and proper way, rather than constant sniping back and forth. Please attack the post not the poster else it becomes tiresome. We dont want to see Sub post the same opinion for 30 odd times whereas picking up on one point of his argument is a lot more useful than arguing like kiddies in a playground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 (edited) We dont want to see Sub post the same opinion for 30 odd times. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Do keep up Hazzman, I've got to be up to around 140 times now. But as long as the terminally deluded keep coming up with faux-justifications for the inclusion of serial failure Nicholls, with right and truth at my side and with the strength I receive from Holy Genghis in Eternal Heaven, I'll keep knocking down their attempts to corrupt and demean the sport further than it already is. Come and join me in the crusade for honour, justice and integrity. Edited October 8, 2006 by Subedei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 The criteria for qualification was known at the start of the season. Finish top eight (effectvely now ninth with Andersen included) and you're in, or finish top three in the qualifier. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> we also knew at the start of the season BSI had 4 picks..... so quit whinging! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzman Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 Do keep up Hazzman, I've got to be up to around 140 times now. But as long as the terminally deluded keep coming up with faux-justifications for the inclusion of serial failure Nicholls, with right and truth at my side and with the strength I receive from Holy Genghis in Eternal Heaven, I'll keep knocking down their attempts to corrupt and demean the sport further than it already is. Come and join me in the crusade for honour, justice and integrity. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I partly do. I like Nicholls personally, just a lot of unwasted talent in my opinion and needs a more assured mentor whose number one aim for the GP weekend is not to see whether the nightlife is any good. But I am totally against BSI's current policy of rewarding riders which fail to take the two opportunities to provide them with a spot for next season, a) top 8 Qualifying system. It's totally unfair to all riders who want to get the next rung of the ladder. Your Kolodziej's, Bjerre's, Harris's etc. They are being excluded just because of nationality. A country was banned from worldwide sport for a similar policy but instead it was because of race and not nationality. Its simply not fair for anybody. It could do the world of good that Nicholls misses a year, just like Lindback needs to take a serious look at their approaches generally the sport. Start to show some professionalism and go up through the gears. The probelm is Nicholls is getting no younger, BSI would lose a whole load of money and the FIM dont want to run this competition simple as. Basically World Speedway from an inner core is currently rotting itself with its World Championship. Alright keep the World Champs but maybe a 2 stage qualifying system in March/April and then your 10 GPs in the other months. The sport will disgress as a quality for it aswell. Generally Nicholls failure is down to the wrong mindset and a bad set-up. Zagar is the greatest example, if you put your heart into and have a clear objection to achieve goals. Thats what makes a winner. Just as much as establishing your mistakes and then improving on them (its what took Andersen to realise he can be world class and you grow up wanting to be a 'World Champion' not the '10th best in the World) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Schumi Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 Sub You know I agree with you about Nicholls having to earn his place but don't you think the British GP would suffer without him in it? Especially as you are arguing for the inclusion of Poles in his place. Much as I dislike him I do think having a home rider to cheer (or boo ) will keep the fans interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 Sub You know I agree with you about Nicholls having to earn his place but don't you think the British GP would suffer without him in it? Especially as you are arguing for the inclusion of Poles in his place. Much as I dislike him I do think having a home rider to cheer (or boo ) will keep the fans interested. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Think even Sub agrees there is a place for Scott at Cardiff,just none of the other GP's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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