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Champion of Champions

Firsts (3pts) Seconds (2pts) Thirds (1pt) Total

 

 

 

Tony Rickardsson (Sweden) 6 3 2 26

 

Hans Nielsen (Denmark) 4 6 2 26

 

Ivan Mauger (New Zealand) 6 3 1 25

 

Ove Fundin (Sweden) 5 3 3 24

 

Barry Briggs (New Zealand) 4 3 3 21

 

 

 

Jason Crump (Australia) 2 4 0 14

 

Ole Olsen (Denmark) 3 1 2 13

 

Ronnie Moore (New Zealand) 2 3 0 12

 

Erik Gundersen (Denmark) 3 1 0 11

 

Freddie Williams (Wales) 2 1 0 8

 

Peter Craven (England) 2 0 2 8

 

Bjorn Knutsson (Sweden) 1 2 0 7

 

Billy Hamill (USA) 1 2 0 7

 

 

ok its not that scientific! :D just 3pts for a champioship win 2pts for a second so on ties decided by most champiosnhips won

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Thats a tad wrong...surely Mauger rode at a time when the strength of the field was more and that it was one chance at winning, not 9. Lets face it Loram would not have won a World Championship if it was the World Final system. The same with Fundin and Briggs

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Thats a tad wrong...surely Mauger rode at a time when the strength of the field was more and that it was one chance at winning, not 9. Lets face it Loram would not have won a World Championship if it was the World Final system.  The same with Fundin and Briggs

So answer this. This season Jason Crump has strolled his way to a World Title. Is that because the field is so poor his title is barely worth having and he'd have not won it any other year OR he is so bllody good eh has made some damn fine riders look bad and his World Title is even more impressive due to his massive win?

 

You say Loram would not have won a World Final, would Szachieal or Muller won a GP series? Any reaosnbaly good rider could have a one off great meeting but it take an excellent rider to string together 5-10 good GP's IMO. I can see the pro's and cons of both, I guess a one off winner probably had to have greater mental strength for a start, nerves were not an option!

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So answer this.  This season Jason Crump has strolled his way to a World Title.  Is that because the field is so poor his title is barely worth having and he'd have not won it any other year OR he is so bllody good eh has made some damn fine riders look bad and his World Title is even more impressive due to his massive win?

 

You say Loram would not have won a World Final, would Szachieal or Muller won a GP series?  Any reaosnbaly good rider could have a one off great meeting but it take an excellent rider to string together 5-10 good GP's IMO.  I can see the pro's and cons of both, I guess a one off winner probably had to have greater mental strength for a start, nerves were not an option!

 

There is cons and plus to this degree but the GP series does allows the better riders to more likely push towards the top. So this formula does not work because the field of the World Finals and the one-off format meant that the top riders were more likely to miss the podium. The pts on this formula count second and thirds. Mauger loses because he misses out on a third in one world final.

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correct me if i'm wrong, but if i remember rightly Mark Loram didnt win a GP when he became world champ. it was just the points he got.

 

i agree with hazzman, i dont think mark would have won a one day final. crump this year had prepared himself in ways that other riders hadnt. its not the field of riders he was up against, i think it was his mental ability.

 

:)

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i just did form the facts 3pts for a world championship 2ptd for runner up and 1 pt for third...i think its as fair as you gonna get their have been several changes to the systems down the years in the early years finalists carried forward the poitns from qualifiers i think, now we have GP

 

personally i ve been to sevral GP's & several world final and i still prefer world finals

 

old skool im afraid but that may say more about me than the systems lol :blink:

and BTW whos the top GB rider and wheres he from lol (this had no bearing on using this lol...)

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If in Ivan's day they had used the GP system he would have won many more World championships. If he had needed to win ten rounds to win the crown, i would bet that he would have done so. That is my view, Mauger was the best because he was the rider who i worshipped, but saying that Jason is my new hero, he is always on the edge, and that's what i pay my money for.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Britney it was lovely to meet you, and I'm glad Swindon should make the play off's for you.

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Of course if you add the Star Riders' Championships (1929 - 35) and the British Riders' Championships (1946 - 48), the equivalent to the World Championship in their day you also get:

 

Vic Huxley (Australia) 1 3 0 9

Jack Parker (England) 2 1 1 9

 

Putting Jack Parker at no. 1 British rider.

 

(With Parker also coming second in the first Star Riders' Championship British Section as well.)

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Norbold,

 

Surely the 1946-1948 British Riders' events should not be counted, as they were not "World" events as such, with the vast number of riders coming from Britain, Australia or the USA. In fact, in 1946, I don't think even many Aussies (such as Vic Duggan, not over in Britain again until 1947) or Amercans were in it either.

 

It was only in 1949 that the event became a true "World" event again.

 

Anyway, Peter Craven was my dad's favourite rider, so I want him to stay as a No. 1 Brit!! :wink::D

 

And, personally, I would award 6-4-2 points for the World Final and 3-2-1 for the GP series, as the World Final was much tougher to win.

 

One mistake or bad ride and you were history in the World Final. In the GP series, it's even possible to have a couple of bad rides in the qualifying heats and still win a GP, due to top eight (half the field) getting to contest the semi-finals. And no-one has yet to go through a GP series reaching every final, so no-one has yet put in the almost-faultless you needed to put in to win a World Final.

 

All the best

Rob

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The 1946 Final included Ron Johnson, Bert Spencer, Bill Longley and Eric Chitty. The 1947 Final included Bill Longley (who was 3rd), Eric Chitty, Lionel Van Praag, Vic Duggan, Ron Johnson, Frank Dolan and Aub Lawson.

The 1948 Final was won by Vic Duggan with Ron Johnson second. It also included Wilbur Lamoreaux, Bill Longey, Eric Chitty and Jack Biggs.

 

I think they can be counted.

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