The Cat Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 If you thought Iversen was poor in the GP series, christ knows how bad either Stead or Harris would be, both of these riders have been pretty useless when they have been wildcards, at least Iversen managed a couple of decent Wild Card performances before he was put in the series full time. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thats harsh on Bomber he have never been a wildcard.. he got a very later call up about 4 years ago at Cardiff and went ok considering his experience.. Harris constantly outscores Stead internationally... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABS Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 It was quite a cut-throat meeting yesterday and after scoring 14 points in the main meeting, I believe PK has morally earned a place in the 2007 GP. What is a worry is that the new New Pretenders have made little impact on the Old Guard yet again. We would like new blood in the GP series, but these riders need to be competitive. Would either of Stead or Harris be truly competitive at this level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheekee Raylee Monkee Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 (edited) Call me old fashioned but I would like the series to consist of riders there on merit - I think that the nomination of wildcards sucks. Without going over the old ground of GP's v. World Final and the imperfections of the qualification system for a world final, at least every rider in the world final had to qualify via a number of meetings. I think that the top 8 should qualify for the next year's GP series and all the rest should qualify on the race track and not smoke filled rooms. Edited August 20, 2006 by Cheekee Raylee Monkee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Without going over the old ground of GP's v. World Final and the imperfections of the qualification system for a world final, at least every rider in the world final had to qualify via a number of meetings.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not, strictly speaking, true. The world final's home nation, whether that be Britain, Poland, Germany, wherever, always had a seeded spot available should none of their riders qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJT Posted August 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Harris was a wild card in 2002, when he was with Peterborough and Trelawny! I don't think you can compare that with Iversens wild card last year. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Chris only had the phone call to go to Cardiff on the Friday morning after Hans Anderson had picked up an injury at in a match against Pererborough the night before. Hardly great preparation for a GP debut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzman Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Some mentioned Jagus will be Chranowski Mark II. I don't think this will be the case. Chranowski at the time of qualifying was a Liga 1 rider in Poland for his club Gdansk and he was not in the top 20 of averages in Poland. However, Jagus despite the foreign imports in Poland this season has remained there and came second in the Polish Final. Secondly, he is a good rider for his Swedish. Jagus has been a good rider in Poland and Sweden. He's just never hit the shores of Britain. He is probably on the same standard as Ulamek and Walasek, he should be a touch better than these two on the international tracks. Expect him to struggle at Cardiff and Copenhague however. The choice is as someone mentioned Harris, Stead or Karlsson? Regardless of Harris or Stead being out of their depth wouldnt it be nice to see a Brit be able to develop on the World stage. Lets not forget the sponsorship they would get through being on the world stage, something which has beena a probelm for Harris has been is lack of decent equipment. He has also kept his own in the failing Rynbik side in Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Some mentioned Jagus will be Chranowski Mark II. I don't think this will be the case. ................... He is probably on the same standard as Ulamek and Walasek, <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Think the second sentence says it all.What did/would those 2 do?Thing is there are very few riders not in the series that would do well.He qualified through the system so no complaints,but to think he will do well.Can't see much chance of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzman Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Think the second sentence says it all.What did/would those 2 do?Thing is there are very few riders not in the series that would do well.He qualified through the system so no complaints,but to think he will do well.Can't see much chance of that <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't think Jagus would be great at GP level but he would be on the pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Not, strictly speaking, true. The world final's home nation, whether that be Britain, Poland, Germany, wherever, always had a seeded spot available should none of their riders qualify. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's not strictly true either. Not always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackett Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Think the Wild cards nationality will be determined by the final 8 placings .... however if : Crump Hancock N Pedersen A Jonsson L Adams S Nicholls B Pedersen Gollob Make the top 8 this season - with the 3 qualifiers of Jagus Holta H Andersen The wildcards are likely to be : Hampel - Polish good sponsorship with Red Bull who the BSI must be continually pitching. Poland has 2 SGP's and biggest fanbase. Lindback - Most of the PR around the SGP's have been based on the boy from brazil etc etc. With him being black and offering excellent marketing opportunities and the next generation of Swedish rider and possibly AJ the only Swede in the top 8 - Nailed on for a Wildcard. Zagar - Has mixed it in a number of the SGP's and on his 1st season deserves another shot at the series. It is looking beyond these 3 then the equation gets difficult ..... BSI like British representation with Cardiff the jewel in the crown will they ensure a 2nd Brit. Harris did his chances no harm with 5th place in the qualifier BUT does he have the appeal of Loram ????? PK missed out in the final had a good season generally but has failed at SGP level will they offer him a go at the SGP's again or look at a younger option like Lindgren. Off the other riders in the SGP series Richardson has blown his chances and has continually failed to deliver. Will have to earn his place back in the series by qualifying next year. PROTASIEWICZ like Richardson has had plenty of opportunities and blown it ... Niels Kristian Iversen may get a place he is young exciting and featured in the Danish SWC team and the BSI marketing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Call me old fashioned but I would like the series to consist of riders there on merit - I think that the nomination of wildcards sucks. Without going over the old ground of GP's v. World Final and the imperfections of the qualification system for a world final, at least every rider in the world final had to qualify via a number of meetings. I think that the top 8 should qualify for the next year's GP series and all the rest should qualify on the race track and not smoke filled rooms. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Completely agree, only the top 8 should get into next years GP, the rest should qualify although I still think its we will have 2 brits, Harris is my bet after his good final score Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Niels Kristian Iversen may get a place he is young exciting and featured in the Danish SWC team and the BSI marketing <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Agree with what you say and a very strong finish to the Series this year might save him, but I can't see a Dane getting a seeded spot (making 4 Danes) and leaving GB with only 1 rider for 2007. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 But if Nicholls misses Prague he will probably drop out of the top 8, leaving the real possibility that he may not finish in the top 8. If that happens then Nicholls will undoubtedly get a nominated place. But this may reduce Harris' chance of getting a place as BSI may not be keen on giving two of their nominations to one country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shale Eater Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 2007 GP Line up will be Jason Crump Greg Hancock Nicki Pedersen Andreas Jonsson Leigh Adams Tomasz Gollob Bjarne Pedersen Matej Zagar Hans Andersen Rune Holta Wieslaw Jagus Scotty Nicholls Jarek Hampel Antonio Lindback Simon Stead The top 3 will finish Hans Crump AJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 The top 8 automatically requalify. The remaining 7 to go in a GP Challenge Race Off against the top 8 qualifiers from the GP qualifiers plus the World Junior Champion with the top 7 going into the GP proper. Remaining place to be available for a wild card rider. Won't happen I know but this is what I feel and I will shout it from the rooftops at every opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
German Speedway Fan Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 The top 8 automatically requalify. The remaining 7 to go in a GP Challenge Race Off against the top 8 qualifiers from the GP qualifiers plus the World Junior Champion with the top 7 going into the GP proper. Remaining place to be available for a wild card rider. Won't happen I know but this is what I feel and I will shout it from the rooftops at every opportunity. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Would love to see a real GP Challenge back... Maybe just 5 qualifiy and two riders to get seeded GP 2007 (Hmm.. who's riding for Reading ?? ) Jason Crump Greg Hancock Nicki Pedersen Andreas Jonsson Leigh Adams Tomasz Gollob Bjarne Pedersen Matej Zagar Andersen Jagus Holta seeded: Nicholls Lindback Hampel 2nd Brit: Richardson (still can improve in last GP rounds) Loram, Reserve: P. Karlsson C. Harris (He's Reserve, so i don't think he'll be called up...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWolf Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 But if Nicholls misses Prague he will probably drop out of the top 8, leaving the real possibility that he may not finish in the top 8. If that happens then Nicholls will undoubtedly get a nominated place. But this may reduce Harris' chance of getting a place as BSI may not be keen on giving two of their nominations to one country <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree. Nicholls is unlikely to finish in the top 8 now but will be a nailed on nomination. The thing is, people still fail to see that speedway is ultimately a business which needs to look after it's customers. Its main customers are in Sweden, Poland and UK (both paying customers at the events and TV companies). It isn't in BSI's (and in turn, speedway's) interests to not have good rider representation of those countries as it becomes more difficult to sell tickets for the events and more difficult to for TV companies to 'sell' their coverage to non-speedway fans (if you think about the way Sky pitch it, it's in the vein of 'British riders vs. The World). BSI must get a bit sick of Denmark consistantly churning out good riders as they are taking up valuable places in the series that could be filled with more commercially valuable Brits, Poles and Swedes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Bee Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 No way no how will Stead got a place. Had a disapointing world cup really, did nothing as a wildcard and failed to impress in the qualifier too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 With three new qualifiers, and most likley to get re-nominated, it looks like there will be one place up for grabs. Peter Karlsson and Simon Stead look the best options to pick from, but if Fredrik Lindgren wins the World U-21's then I can see him jump ahead of them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south coast robin Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 i'll go for A TOP 15 finish of : ANDERSEN CRUMP ADAMS HANCOCK 2 PEDERSENS JONSSON GOLLOB HAMPEL NICHOLLS ZAGAR LINDBACK KARLSSON HOLTA JAGUS Can't see Rico Harris or Steady getting in which would be bad for British speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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