NJT Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 How about this for the GP line up next year Top 8 Crump Hancock N Pederson A Jonsson L Adams S Nicholls B Pedersen H Andersen Qualifiers Jagus Holta P Karlson Wildcards Hampel Harris Lindback Zagar Which gives the following spread of nationalities Poland 2 Norway 1 Denmark 3 Sweden 3 Australia 2 USA 1 GB 2 Slovenia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Bee Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Hans cannot qualify for the top 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 How about this for the GP line up next year Top 8 Crump Hancock N Pederson A Jonsson L Adams S Nicholls B Pedersen H Andersen Qualifiers Jagus Holta P Karlson Wildcards Hampel Harris Lindback Zagar Which gives the following spread of nationalities Poland 2 Norway 1 Denmark 3 Sweden 3 Australia 2 USA 1 GB 2 Slovenia 1 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> With the Bydgoszcz GP still to come, you don't think Tomasz Gollob, already in the top 8, will stay there? Highly unlikely. And anyway, BSI won't want to lose Gollob, or Hampel, but maybe domestic considerations will mean they want Kolodziej in there. What are they to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Swop Gollob for PK and I think you may have the 15 for next year. There might still be some shocks about who qualifies in the top 8 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Swop Gollob for PK and I think you may have the 15 for next year. As I have just said on the other thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJT Posted August 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Hans cannot qualify for the top 8 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This has to be a crazy rule, what is the point in him riding in the meetings if they count for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 (edited) How about this for the GP line up next year No Gollob then......? The series wouldn't be the same without the old boy - and I can still see him getting a top 8 this year. "This has to be a crazy rule, what is the point in him riding in the meetings if they count for nothing." Money? Sponsorship? Being nominated? Proving a point? I guess.... Edited August 19, 2006 by macca56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest schumifan Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 This has to be a crazy rule, what is the point in him riding in the meetings if they count for nothing. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Does it matter now he's qualified? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJT Posted August 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Does it matter now he's qualified? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It makes a big difference to PK and Bomber and the allocation of wildcards so I would say it matters in a big way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 As I have just said on the other thread. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, and you also said: 'No F1 team that I can think of has ever had two drivers of the same Nationality' and we've already proved that that was wrong...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollyy13 Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 i wondered if it could count for Hans now? beacuse hes officially replaced Tony R, so why shouldnt his points count? I understand when he was just the wild card that they couldnt count..... but now isnt he officially a GP rider? And he qualified anyway...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest schumifan Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 It makes a big difference to PK and Bomber and the allocation of wildcards so I would say it matters in a big way. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well really only PK, and it's nice to see some new blood in the way of Jagus. That's the way the cookie crumbles. It wasn't fair when Hans was left out last year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_D Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 With Jagus qualifying Janusz can kiss the GP series goodbye for another year. I would not be surprised to see Loram picked as GBs 2nd wild card rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Swop Gollob for PK and I think you may have the 15 for next year. There might still be some shocks about who qualifies in the top 8 though. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Jason Crump Leigh Adams Scott Nicholls Nicki Pedersen Bjarne Pedersen Hans Andersen Tomasz Gollob Jaroslaw Hampel Wieslaw Jagus Rune Holta Andreas Jonsson Antonio Lindback Greg Hancock Matej Zagar wild card the last place goes to . . . . . . Chris Harris or Simon Stead or Peter Karlsson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 (edited) With the Bydgoszcz GP still to come, you don't think Tomasz Gollob, already in the top 8, will stay there? Highly unlikely. And anyway, BSI won't want to lose Gollob, or Hampel, but maybe domestic considerations will mean they want Kolodziej in there. What are they to do? Lets hope not, the one track Pony that's useless everywhere else's presence is mostly pointless. Jagus will last a year in the GP's Chrzanowski II. I bet after a month they wish thay hadn''t held a final so PK would be in rather than him. Lindback I can't see keeping his place and if he has the right mentaility he'll do an Andersen. Richardson, Iversen & Pepe are toast already. Out with Gollob, also, pointless these days outside Poland. Zagar should stay. I'm guessing PK might get one spot in the GP's, as I cant think of more than Jonsson in the Swedish dept. And Lindback's been woeful, pretty much. If BSI go for a second Brit then Harris, did more than Stead at the SWC, didn't choke at Cardiff. Even though I think Stead's the better rider. Edited August 20, 2006 by Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Yes, and you also said: 'No F1 team that I can think of has ever had two drivers of the same Nationality' and we've already proved that that was wrong...... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But then you're the person who asked "Are there any other sports that nominate its world finalists?" and when proved wrong still continued to argue. Can you really not see that F1 drivers are nominated by the team mangers? Plus the teams you mentioned having two drivers from the same Nations were from year when I was 7, 9 and 11, not exactly a time I was too bother about who drive for which F1 team, tho I do conceed I was wrong with my semantics. It's certianly true these days however that teams avoiding signing two drivers form the same Nation on commercial grounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 i wondered if it could count for Hans now? beacuse hes officially replaced Tony R, so why shouldnt his points count? I understand when he was just the wild card that they couldnt count..... but now isnt he officially a GP rider? And he qualified anyway...! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> From the official FIM "Individual Speedway World Championship Grand Prix Regulations" FIM Grand Prix Regulations The total Grand Prix points scored by each rider having taken part in the Individual Speedway World Championship Grand Prix Series during the season shall be shown on the Final Overall Grand Prix Classification of that year. The current year's Final Overall Grand Prix Classification, after removing the Wild Card riders, the Qualified Reserve riders, the Track Reserve riders and any substitute riders who have participated in the year's Championship, as they are not taken into consideration (my emphasis), shall determine the riders' qualifications for the next year's Championship as follows : The top 8 riders of the Final Overall Grand Prix Classification of that year shall be directly qualified for the following year’s Grand Prix Series. • The top 3 riders from the FIM Speedway Grand Prix qualification system shall be directly qualified for the following year’s Grand Prix Series. • To make up the 16 riders for the following year's Speedway Grand Prix Championship, the remaining 4 riders, plus 1 Wild Card rider, will be decided by the Speedway Grand Prix Promoter and the SGP Commission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 If you thought Iversen was poor in the GP series, christ knows how bad either Stead or Harris would be, both of these riders have been pretty useless when they have been wildcards, at least Iversen managed a couple of decent Wild Card performances before he was put in the series full time. I like Stead but he was really in the main quite awful at this years GP while the only memory I have of Harris in a GP is flipping it on the straight a few years back! Although very unpatriotic give the place to Karlsson, a genuine world class rider, not a couple of Brits on the basis that they had decent World Cups, as riding amongst a team and individually I'd imagine are a completely different kettle of fish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Lets hope not, the one track Pony that's useless everywhere else's presence is mostly pointless.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Made the final in Krsko and Eskilstuna this season - that's as many finals as Leigh Adams has made and more than Nicholls. Jagus will last a year in the GP's Chrzanowski II. I bet after a month they wish thay hadn''t held a final so PK would be in rather than him.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree that's probably what BSI are thinking right now - Jagus' victory has spoiled their chances of bringing in Kolodziej. But, PK? PK has hardly set the GPs alight when he's been in them. I see no reason for that to change. And Jagus would still have qualified without yesterday's meeting finale - Holta would've missed out, not Jagus. Lindback I can't see keeping his place and if he has the right mentaility he'll do an Andersen.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Lindback will be safe - he's the type of rider BSI want around. Richardson, Iversen & Pepe are toast already.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Agreed, but with Iversen enjoying the protection of Olsen and Richardson seeming to have more GP lives than a cat, nothing would surprise me. Out with Gollob, also, pointless these days outside Poland.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Made GP finals in Slovenia and Sweden so far this season. And he's likely to qualify on merit. Anyway, BSI won't want to lose such a charismatic figure from the circus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joester Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 (edited) If you thought Iversen was poor in the GP series, christ knows how bad either Stead or Harris would be, both of these riders have been pretty useless when they have been wildcards, at least Iversen managed a couple of decent Wild Card performances before he was put in the series full time. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Harris was a wild card in 2002, when he was with Peterborough and Trelawny! I don't think you can compare that with Iversens wild card last year. Edited August 20, 2006 by Joester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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