KN1 Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 why isnt the WC run with pairs of riders rather than individulas from each team? you wouldnt of had the scenario at poole a couple of years ago, it would make it a TEAM event then, just like league racing, also some top riders would learn how to team ride something that is rare nowadays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richsimpson Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 why isnt the WC run with pairs of riders rather than individulas from each team?you wouldnt of had the scenario at poole a couple of years ago, it would make it a TEAM event then, just like league racing, also some top riders would learn how to team ride something that is rare nowadays <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Agree, that way a team with a weaker rider can have a better chance. EG Hancock and Janirro, in a race Greg may have been able to help BJ around. Would certainly be a better fromat. Wasn't this the format originally? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Butler Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Agree, that way a team with a weaker rider can have a better chance. EG Hancock and Janirro, in a race Greg may have been able to help BJ around. Would certainly be a better fromat. Wasn't this the format originally? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You may be thinking, Mr Simpson, of the World Pairs Championship. This was once won for Britain [or maybe England] by by those aces of Aces Peter Collins and Chris Morton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Yes I would like them race as pairs, it would certainly put more emphasis on team riding! As for the World Pairs, wouldn't mind this competition coming back either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richsimpson Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 You may be thinking, Mr Simpson, of the World Pairs Championship. This was once won for Britain [or maybe England] by by those aces of Aces Peter Collins and Chris Morton. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Mr Berthoven, Ron, if I may be so forward.... You are probably correct. I am thinking more recently, middle to late nineties when if I recall correctly England did not win, but the Aussies and Swedes did, possibly the Americans too for that matter. Was this the format before we moved to the current format? It may well have been two types of meetings were amalgamated into one - World Pairs and team cup etc. Shortly before the obviously dangerous 5 riders in a race fiasco. Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desie Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 i've long had a wild idea about a four team meeting, seven riders in each team, each team racing a full 15 heat meeting facing each other team five times making a total of 30 heats, sounds a lot but it would be fantastic, proper team racing can you imagine Poland v GB v Sweden V Denmark in the world cup final? Nicholls and Loram v Hans and Nicki P followed by, Gollob and Hampel v Jonsson and Lindback, it would be great if you ask me, but it won't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richsimpson Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 i've long had a wild idea about a four team meeting, seven riders in each team, each team racing a full 15 heat meeting facing each other team five times making a total of 30 heats, sounds a lot but it would be fantastic, proper team racing can you imagine Poland v GB v Sweden V Denmark in the world cup final? Nicholls and Loram v Hans and Nicki P followed by, Gollob and Hampel v Jonsson and Lindback, it would be great if you ask me, but it won't happen. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Good format Desie but the Aussies would not like it one bit!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 I'm sure the last World Cup before BSI took over was raced with a format where each team had 2 riders in each race. In the 60's, 70's and 80's the WTC was a 4 team 4 rider 16 heat affair with a reserve who could come in when desired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 (edited) I work in a team at work, however, I certainly don't always work in tandem with someone and it's often a case of working on your own for the team. Doesn't make it any less of a team effort, we all have to put something into a said project just not side by side at the same time. TBH, I don't like the idea of a team even where tactics for teams are determined by the leader, the whole idea that 3rd place being 6 points beind the leaders and 2nd place being 5 behind the leaders yet the 3rd place team can use a joker? They get 2nd while the 2nd place teams gets the win BUT the team who were 3rd are now joint 2nd, if they've won a heat more they get 2nd all becasue the other team could not use a joker! If you want to sue jokers it has to be a head to head event, not some 4TT thing. BTW, you can still team ride in the SWC, Gollob and Povazhny vs Karlsson anyone?! Classic heat! Edited August 19, 2006 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Possible format I have devised for a World TEAM Cup England V Sweden V Poland V Australia ENGLAND 1 - Scott Nicholls 2 - Chris Harris 3 - Simon Stead 4 - Mark Loram R - Lee Richardson SWEDEN 1 - Peter Karlsson 2 - Fredrik Lindgren 3 - Andreas Jonsson 4 - Antonio Lindback R - Mikael Max POLAND 1 - Tomasz Gollob 2 - Piotr Protasiewicz 3 - Jaroslaw Hampel 4 - Wieslaw Jagus R - Janusz Kolodiej AUSTRALIA 1 - Jason Crump 2 - Ryan Sullivan 3 - Leigh Adams 4 - Todd Wiltshire R - Adam Shields HEAT 1 = Nicholls / Harris V Karlsson / Lindgren HEAT 2 = Gollob / Protasiewicz V Crump / Sullivan HEAT 3 = Stead / Loram V Jonsson / Lindback HEAT 4 = Hampel / Jagus V Adams / Wiltshire HEAT 5 = Nicholls / Harris V Gollob / Protasiewicz HEAT 6 = Karlsson / Lindgren V Crump / Sullivan HEAT 7 = Stead / Loram V Hampel / Jagus HEAT 8 = Jonsson / Lindback V Adams / Wiltshire HEAT 9 = Nicholls / Harris V Crump / Sullivan HEAT 10 = Karlsson / Lindgren V Gollob / Protasiewicz HEAT 11 = Stead / Loram V Adams / Wiltshire HEAT 12 = Jonsson / Lindback V Hampel / Jagus - INTERVAL - HEAT 13 = Nicholls / Harris V Jonsson / Lindback HEAT 14 = Gollob / Protasiewicz V Adams / Wiltshire HEAT 15 = Stead / Loram V Karlsson / Lindgren HEAT 16 = Hampel / Jagus V Crump / Sullivan HEAT 17 = Nicholls / Harris V Hampel / Jagus HEAT 18 = Karlsson / Lindgren V Adams / Wiltshire HEAT 19 = Stead / Loram V Gollob / Protasiewicz HEAT 20 = Jonsson / Lindback V Crump / Sullivan HEAT 21 = Nicholls / Harris V Adams / Wiltshire HEAT 22 = Karlsson / Lindgren V Hampel / Jagus HEAT 23 = Stead / Loram V Crump / Sullivan HEAT 24 = Jonsson / Lindback V Gollob / Protasiewicz Reserves can be bought in at any time but can only have a maximum of six rides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 That's what we already had for the World Team Cup in the late 90's. I can't remember why it was scraped, but when BSI took over and estalished the SWC, the new organisers wanted more of a spectacle and 5 Teams and 5 rider races. Thanks BSI ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Now I'd prefer a meeting along the lines of.... Winners of Team GB vs Sweden Vs the winners of Australia vs Denmark (1 vs 4 in the World and 2 vs 3) So you have say 10 heats of GB vs Sweden, 10 heats of Australia vs Denmark and then the last 10 heats are the two winning teams. Th first two meeting could be a heat of one and then the other. I just don't like the idea that in heat 24, "Jonsson / Lindback V Gollob / Protasiewicz", the Poles are now out of it, Pepe and Gollobs heads drop and they give up, where as Sweden need the 5-1 to overhaul one of the teams not in this heat. Exclty liek the last heat of the 2000 (or was it 1999?) WTC, Aus vs Sweden, Crump and Adams who had bene flying just gave up as they could not win it and the Swedes provided the shock of the tournament to get a 5-1 and force a run off with Team GB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KN1 Posted August 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Now I'd prefer a meeting along the lines of.... Winners of Team GB vs Sweden Vs the winners of Australia vs Denmark (1 vs 4 in the World and 2 vs 3) So you have say 10 heats of GB vs Sweden, 10 heats of Australia vs Denmark and then the last 10 heats are the two winning teams. Th first two meeting could be a heat of one and then the other. I just don't like the idea that in heat 24, "Jonsson / Lindback V Gollob / Protasiewicz", the Poles are now out of it, Pepe and Gollobs heads drop and they give up, where as Sweden need the 5-1 to overhaul one of the teams not in this heat. Exclty liek the last heat of the 2000 (or was it 1999?) WTC, Aus vs Sweden, Crump and Adams who had bene flying just gave up as they could not win it and the Swedes provided the shock of the tournament to get a 5-1 and force a run off with Team GB. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> yes but what about sweden england(sorry GB) at poole, hans wouldnt of been in the race, it would have been a true race fot the title, "WORLD TEAM CHAMPIONS" PK + 1 V scott and team mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Having read some of this discussion, I couldn't agree more with the sentiment - it needs to be run with pairs of riders from each country. If it's so obvious to us, why isn't it obvious to the powers that be? Team riding is the most exciting part of speedway, and if you call it WTC that's what we expect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richsimpson Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 yes but what about sweden england(sorry GB) at poole, hans wouldnt of been in the race, it would have been a true race fot the title, "WORLD TEAM CHAMPIONS" PK + 1 V scott and team mate <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And Sweden woud have won Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 And we'll never know the outcome will we Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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