Reviresco Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 He may have "lost his temper" as for scaring our dear female tv presenter, the whole pits is filled with testosterone, but that's a different argument. F1, i am waiting for the moment they cut to the drivers/pits radio, and i hear something like that... So far they have had a little too much restraint <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, would be good, but its too sanitised at the moment. We really need a balance somewhere. As for the testosterone in the pits, its probably one of the main reasons our Soph does the job and always seems to have a smile on her lips I beg your pardon? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Apologies schumifan, not meant at you. I think the ****s were 'niceman' and 'mover', but the pits to car radio isn't that good yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jive Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 just seen the replay some 20 times now. Firstly nicholls rides right into the side of hans, forcing him a bit wider than he wanted to be, so hans angles a little more aggressively for the corner, nicholls pushes an elbow which commects to hans' shoulder, forcing him a little wider again, so hans leans in a little more to try and keep his line, forcing his own elbow and handlebars below scott's, and with his bike leaning back at that angle, and with the track in the condition it was in, Hans was never gonna stay on. A very difficult decision IMO, but the right one. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Now watch it without your panthers jacket on Bend 4 Scott gives Hans a nudge (probably the time Andersen should have gone down) but he proves his worth and credit to him for that but..... Scott is clearly going faster than him and has the line that Hans has been knocked off, Hans realising this blatant elbow out then leans onto Scott who refuses to budge. With both riders refusing to give way Andersen (with track conditions in consideration) only has to lean on Nicholls to be given the chance to slide off knowing full well he has a better chance of getting the verdict in the stoppage and earn himself a place in the final. I felt Scott was hard done by as this is the world championship and to see the fuss Andersen made when excluded in the WTC, take the same route as Bomber did shows that maybe he belongs in the conference league to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 (edited) 2 interesting decisions for the ref tonight Crump v Lindback Andersen v Nicholls I think the pundits were correct in saying that possibly the refs should be looking at what happened leading up to the incident rather than just the point of contact either i'm blind or Crump should have been excluded without even bothering to check the replays! Is the ref really saying he had the line?! If he cant pass cleanly then he should be excluded ..........i'm concerned with some of the refs .......it seems to be one rule for a couple of the riders and another for everyone else really not sure about the Hans and Scott one.............reminded me a bit of the elbows between Carter and Penhall .................the only way to ref the incident fairly is to look at the lap leading up to it............Scott bashes Hans......Scott moves up inside Hans just keeps leaning left and left and left............if anything I would have given it to Scott just for the reason that at no point did Hans even try to find a racing line down that straight and 'The Know' .......Hans certainly was NOT faster than Scott (otherwise how could the incident happen?)......I know you have vested interest in Hans but lets not pretend we are in cloud cukoo land! edit: just watched it about 20 times also..............Hans exclusion every time .......... if he had gone down when scott bashed him coming out of the previous bend then that would have been fair enough but i'm afraid Scott was right with the 'fairy bail out' description............quite simply Hans knew he was beaten and took the crap way of dealing with it Edited August 13, 2006 by spook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Can't stand either of them. Their talent is lost under their bad attitudes. Frog eyes got it spot on. All Hans had to do was back off, Nicholls would have overshot the corner & hey presto! But why let a bit of common sense get in the way of all that testosterone. Congrats AJ (ouch!), been a long time coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 CRUMP V LINDBACK This is possibly the hardest call as no contact was made, however it was Crumpy's move wide so quickly that forced Lindback with no where to go but down and therefore you could exclude Crumpy for unfair or dangerous riding or even causing the race to be stopped due to his racing line making another rider fall. However - Crump moved out wide and Lindback, right BEHIND him had to lay his bike down. If Crumpy was in front and he was, then he has done nothing wrong and the only call that could be made was Lindback out. Yet again, However had Crumpy made any contact with Lindback, then the call had to be Crump excluded for unfair or dangerous riding. NICHOLLS V ANDERSEN Tough call really but in the end it was just two tough riders not willing to give an inch and Hans rode the right line to try and drop it onto Scott going into turn one but there was contact and Hans in those conditions was going nowhere but down. Sad to say, but I agree that Nicholls was to blame and rightly excluded - for racing ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezekiel Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Time to give my verdit on the Hans vs Nicholls incident. Even though I'm slightly biased towards Hans I really can't decide who was at fault! Nicholls gave Hans a nudge, Hans was leaning over Nicholls on the straight, Nicholls appeared to give Hans the slightest of nudges just before he fell, but I wouldn't say it would be enough to see Hans go over. What some people are forgetting are the conditions. If the conditions had been better then I don't think Hans would have slid off. I think Nicholls was unlucky, very unlucky, as the ref's decision could have gone either way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Some of the recent refereeing decisions are turning this sport into a joke.There was no way Nicholls should of been excluded, Andersen was 100% at fault. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This thread started with this. The subsequent discussion has shown that it was not an easy decision to make and not everyone agrees the referee was at fault. Many agree with his decision. Some decisions are very hard to make. If the referee gets it wrong in some people's opinion it doesn't mean the sport is a joke any more than a wrong lbw decision makes cricket a joke. Let's get a bit of perspective on this, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Steve Dixon Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 IMO if two riders are going at each other like this, whoever falls and causes the stoppage goes, not too diss-similar to the Carter/Penhall race and i thought the same about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary moore Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 hand andersen is just a cheat he has showed it over and over again the gp circuit was a much better place whilst hans was out of it sulking we wants to grow up and think about other riders cause he is going to eith hurt someone or is going to meet his match and get hurt himself the arrogant prick just wants that smug smile wiped off his face <{POST_SNAPBACK}> My thoughts exactly!!! His riding style (all elbows) and attitude stinks!!! His time will come?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary moore Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 He may have "lost his temper" as for scaring our dear female tv presenter, the whole pits is filled with testosterone, but that's a different argument. F1, i am waiting for the moment they cut to the drivers/pits radio, and i hear something like that... So far they have had a little too much restraint <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Dont you remeber fisichella shouting at his pit crew last year? I think it was along the lines of "this f*****g cars a piece od s**T....." etc etc!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Dont you remeber fisichella shouting at his pit crew last year?I think it was along the lines of "this f*****g cars a piece od s**T....." etc etc!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If it was after the first lap,i was asleep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finchy Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 My thoughts exactly!!!His riding style (all elbows) and attitude stinks!!! His time will come?? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Indeed it will, World Champion in 2007 or 2008 I think that you need to sound out Prozac suppliers before then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupus Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 My thoughts exactly!!!His riding style (all elbows) and attitude stinks!!! His time will come?? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And Nicholls riding style and attitude is different? Talk about biased! I honestly think it was a 50/50 decision - bith riders were riding stupidly IMHO and it was always going to end with someone hitting the deck. I think the ref probably should have excluded Andersen but Nicholls was hardly and innocent party in the whole thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highside Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Why the hell does everyone stick up for Nicholls?last night he got what he deserved he thinks he can throw his weight about everyone else has got to take it,when someone does it to him all hell breaksout .if you give bloody take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Why the hell does everyone stick up for Nicholls?last night he got what he deserved he thinks he can throw his weight about everyone else has got to take it,when someone does it to him all hell breaksout . <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I thougtht Nicholls was slightly unfortunate last night - maybe the referee should've had done with it and excluded them both. But you're right, it seems that Nicholls increasingly only has the "throwing weight" around option on track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Private Dancer Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 I personally feel it was a 50-50 decision. It was a hard race, both riders tried their very best to get the better on each rider. And because a rider fell someone had to be excluded for it. On this occassion it was Scott Nicholls, next time it might be the other way round. It is pointless in complaining because it is not going to change anything, especially after the event. I like both riders. And i really do like the new Scott Nicholls. He is showing more and more determination to win, as well as a positive attitude. And to be a winner you need that very recipy, exactly! Scott is showing the same in his racing attitude and ability as of Hans Andersen. And Hans is already on his way to becomming a winner in this sport. All i can really say is that they are so similar that they are having a personallity clash. However it makes the racing between the two of them extremely exciting. And here`s looking forward to Scotties first G.P win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumpy Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Highside, what do you mean? nicholls took hans throwing his weight about and didnt need to drop the bike. It seems it is Andersen who cant take a bit of pushing and shoving. btw,I've made a bit of an amendment to your post Why the hell does everyone stick up for Andersen?last night he got what he deserved he thinks he can throw his weight about everyone else has got to take it,when someone does it to him all hell breaksout .if you give bloody take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speediebee Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 I thougtht Nicholls was slightly unfortunate last night - maybe the referee should've had done with it and excluded them both. But you're right, it seems that Nicholls increasingly only has the "throwing weight" around option on track. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The correct decision was the one made by the referee, everything else is opinion. Last night Scott got one decision and lost the other, however there does seem to be something familier about last nights two incidents. Both involved Danes, both had been, or were about to be passed and both dropped their bikes! Maybe we Brits have something to learn about track craft from the World Champions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 (edited) The correct decision was the one made by the referee, everything else is opinion. Last night Scott got one decision and lost the other, however there does seem to be something familier about last nights two incidents. Both involved Danes, both had been, or were about to be passed and both dropped their bikes! Maybe we Brits have something to learn about track craft from the World Champions? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> There was another similarity, both included Nicholls throwing his weight around. Personally, I think the aggregate of the two Nicholls incidents told against him when the referee came to make his second decision. Edited August 13, 2006 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Here we go again <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's exactly what I thought last night, the Hans/Scott thing has to stop someone is going to get seriously hurt. Nicholls was excluded because it was his fault! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If Hans didn't have his elbow up under Scotts armpit he could of had his own racing line and not slid down Scotts leg only to disappear under the fence. Hans will be world champion Scotty never will while he has a chip on his shoulder. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Would Hans like the chip back? So we can have our Mr Nice back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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