How The Hell Was Nicholls Excluded ?

[The Know]

reading this i cant belive ppl think that it was nicholls fault hans was well out of order you do not ride a bike like that down the back straigh but then hans will get his pay back some day

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Not by scott because he is not quick enough.

[panthersfan]

The right decision. Pure and simple.

[Trees]

Nicholls was excluded because he nudged Andersen going into the bend. He even admitted so himself. And given the track conditions, it's hardly a surprise that Andersen fell is it?

Nicholls caused Andersen to fell. End of.

Andersen didn't fall off when Nicholls nudged him did he, he was leaning off his bike shoving his elbow in front of Scott and when they had to turn down he went, Andersen should have been excluded imo.

[JJ]

Bad move by Hans he aint dumb knew what he was doing and got away with it, not right but he done it and it worked.

[London Witch]

as scottys no1 fan this is what i think

Strike one - Zagar / yes he was very lucky last week not to get excluded.

Strike two - Pedersen / why this is a strike ill never know. he never touched the little twirp

Strike three - Andersen / he showed great control to stay on his bike during the final. pitty the little Puff didnt show as much control during the semi. what was scott supposed to do when the gay boy was turning left into him. as scott said, the fairy bailed out again

should NOT HAVE BEEN OUT. 

 

What a mature post!

 

As a Hans fan, I reckon it was 6 of one, half a dozen of t'other. Scott initially was all elbows, and then Hans laid all over Scott. Conditions clearly didn't help but don't think Hans did a dive. If he did, he needs lessons from Bomber!!!

[superjoe]

Not by scott because he is not quick enough.

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apart from today when he pulled off a superb ride to go under Andersen, before somehow being excluded and the last GP when he beat hans in the final of course

 

Scott was in the gap despite andersens best attempts to ride horizontally acoss the straight, which I am not complaining about, just hard racing however Scott had the line going into the bend, what was he supposed to do?not turn?

 

refs seem to have no real clue when it comes to passing up the inside. Just ask oxford fans about the eriksson/morris incident at bv earlier in the year

Edited August 12, 2006 by superjoe

[Boriz]

Yep you're right Boriz, everyone is biased and poor little Hans did no wrong again - PRICK !

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I have admitted before when Hans has done wrong but we are talking about tonight's incident arent we??

[Subedei]

I think Andersen was, finally, in the wrong, but Nicholls just throws his not inconsiderable bulk around these days and that gets you a reputation. Let's not be blind to that - British riders are just as capable of getting reputation as Messrs Nicki P and Andersen. There's an air of desperation about some of Nicholls' moves on track these days, or so it seems.

Edited August 12, 2006 by Subedei

[Sky Blue Bee]

Cannot believe anyone watching the meeting believes Scott should have been excluded yes he did give Hans a nudge going into bend 4 but then apart from Hans leaning into him all down the straight there no contact as they hit the bend and Hans then bailed out. Please lets be a little fair about this the Scott baiting is now becoming very tedious.

[Hollyy13]

Hans and Scotty, Scotty and Hans.... personally im looking forward to these twho racing each other the rest of the season and beyond....should be great!

 

I like Scotty cos he's British, i Like Hans cos hes very entertaining and speedway would be boring without him! I think the Grand Prix have benifited from him coming in this year without a doubt!

 

They were both going for it down the straight, Scotty was out of order nudging Hans, but Hans was out of order leaning all over scotty.... difficult dicision for the ref.... id have personally excluded Hans, and as i say, Hans is probs my 2nd favortie rider at the moment in the world (behind my beloved Greg....who im gutted didnt make the final!)....

 

But really....Hats off to all the rider for racing tonight and really giving it there all....in awful conditions... i was very impressed with thier attitudes and the racing!

 

[Sir Jasper]

Hans got away with that one, makes his comments against Harris seem even more stupid, are all the danes on a mission to see who can flash the most false smiles in a meeting?

[Jez]

This was a classic case of six and two three's neither Scotty or Hans were totally innocent.

 

Pesrsonally I think we are skirting over the major subject and thats the inconsistency of refereeing in a single GP not over the whole series, Mr Grotski (sp?) should have the same rules for all riders not one if your top of the rankings and one for everyone else. The GP organisers should stick to one referee doing the whole lot of GP rounds not this swapping over here and there like they do now.

[NICKAT]

It was 50/50 in my opinion and the conditions played a partt, however Scotty seems to have become obsessed with Hans and i wonder how he would have faired had he not had the red mist descending knowing Hans was in his semi.

[essaitch]

It was 50/50 in my opinion and the conditions played a partt, however Scotty seems to have become obsessed with Hans and i wonder how he would have faired had he not had the red mist descending knowing Hans was in his semi.

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I'd say was 50 / 50 too, certainly could've gone either way, but from the way the ref was calling Hans was in front and Scott touched him. The other fallers weren't touched so were excluded.

If it'd hadn't been Hans I'd think Scott would've been past and gone. He seemed quicker but wanted to muscle his way past.

[Bagpuss]

Nicholls caused Andersen to fell. End of.

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MrMungo! A rather blinkered view for a man of your considerable speedway knowledge

 

Did you not see Andersen leaning all over Nicholls in an attempt to stop him going past? Or did you ignore that bit?

 

As Kelvin Tatum said, Andersen's body was 'in completely the wrong position' going down the straight

 

As I have said on the main thread it could have gone either way and Scotty was unlucky on this occasion, after getting lucky in Lonigo. Andersen could also have felt hard done by if he had been thrown out, but thats speedway

 

And if nothing else these two characters make for great viewing when they meet on track

[Subedei]

I don't think Nicholls would've been excluded if the earlier Nicki P incident hadn't happened - two riders down in successive runnings of the same heat and both after clashes with Nicholls.

[rabbit]

Hans and Scotty, Scotty and Hans.... personally im looking forward to these twho racing each other the rest of the season and beyond....should be great!

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Just what I said....Cov v Pboro on Sky's a good place to start. Could be very interesting...

[Sir Jasper]

Pedersen ws not touched and went down on his own he should have got off the track ......

[SCB]

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/chrisbrown/scottyvshansHQ.avi (15 MBs)

 

See for yourself, once again, who's at fault.

[G the Bee]

So Nicholls gave Andersen a nudge coming off bend 4. We see riders nudging each other all the time at this level. It's the world championship and riders are going to ride hard. Compared to the AJ/Pedersen clash in the SWC it was tame!

However Hans rode down the middle of the straight and was leaning off his bike into Nicholls entering the corner with his elbow stuck out at practically a right angle into Scott. Replays also show that going into the corner, Scott was ahead. If you ride down the middle of the straight, leaning into another rider there is a chance you will come off. If Hans had rode a natural line down the straight and not leaned into Nicholls, Nicholls would have made a clean pass and Hans would not have come down. Therefore Hans falling was entirely his own doing.

Considering the precedent the referee had already made in the meeting with the Lindback and Pedersen exclusions then Scotts exclusion was clearly the wrong call.