MrMungo Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 (edited) MrMungo! A rather blinkered view for a man of your considerable speedway knowledge <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But Baggy...blinkered is my middle name! Did you not see Andersen leaning all over Nicholls in an attempt to stop him going past? Or did you ignore that bit? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I saw that (what a relief my TV isn't on the blink after all) but the incident didn't happen on the start/finish straight. It happened going into the first bend (and Andersen was riding his own bike at that point, not Nicholls'.). Sure it may have "riled" Nicholls up, hence the incident which followed. At the end of the day, the track was wet. Very, very wet. It must've been difficult enough to stay on the bike at the best of times, nevermind when you're being "nudged" going into a bend. Edited August 12, 2006 by MrMungo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen till i die Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 So Nicholls gave Andersen a nudge coming off bend 4. We see riders nudging each other all the time at this level. It's the world championship and riders are going to ride hard. Compared to the AJ/Pedersen clash in the SWC it was tame!However Hans rode down the middle of the straight and was leaning off his bike into Nicholls entering the corner with his elbow stuck out at practically a right angle into Scott. Replays also show that going into the corner, Scott was ahead. If you ride down the middle of the straight, leaning into another rider there is a chance you will come off. If Hans had rode a natural line down the straight and not leaned into Nicholls, Nicholls would have made a clean pass and Hans would not have come down. Therefore Hans falling was entirely his own doing. Considering the precedent the referee had already made in the meeting with the Lindback and Pedersen exclusions then Scotts exclusion was clearly the wrong call. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> im glad you and most of the people on here were watching the same meeting and saw the same things in this race and others. pitty some of the muppetts on here were watching through hans tinted glasses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 But Baggy...blinkered is my middle name! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So was Andersen not still leaning on Nicholls when they entered the corner? At the end of the day its a GP and nobody in a Semi Final is going to shut off, and with the track as wet as it was somebody was bound to come a cropper, just happened to be Hans Classic 'six of one, half a dozen of the other' for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DartfordHammer Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 (edited) Personally, having watched SCB's replay as I don't have the benefit of Sky (cheers SCB), I think it's 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. Nicholls rode hard, Andersen rode hard, both pushing with elbows. Nicholls gives Andersen a bit of a shove going into the bend. You can say that happens a lot, but how often do you see riders go down from it? More than you think. Seems to me like Andersen gets pushed out, tries to turn his front wheel back in and it just falls away under him. Either one could have gone, Nicholls for nudging Andersen off, or Andersen for causing the stoppage. As for those saying 'oh Hans can do no wrong' and accusing people of wearing rose-tinted specs, take off your own and try and view it with IMPARTIALITY. Instead of jumping on Hans straight away because it was against Nicholls. Edited August 12, 2006 by DartfordHammer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 So was Andersen not still leaning on Nicholls when they entered the corner? Classic 'six of one, half a dozen of the other' for me <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Both riders were at fault as I saw it. To a varying degree. Andersen could've rode it differently. He's an aggressive defensive rider. He defends his lead (or second place, whatever) until it's gone which is why he's so great to watch (IMO). The crash was caused by Nicholls trying to barge himself through. (Andersen was narrowily leading all the way down the straight) Both riders were giving elbows left, right and center. Had they been concentrating on their own races it may never had happened, but if did. Such is life. The Andersen/Nicholls stuff is great to watch. Fantastic entertainment. I do sometimes wonder how much longer it'll stay "on-track" though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panthersfan Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 just seen the replay some 20 times now. Firstly nicholls rides right into the side of hans, forcing him a bit wider than he wanted to be, so hans angles a little more aggressively for the corner, nicholls pushes an elbow which commects to hans' shoulder, forcing him a little wider again, so hans leans in a little more to try and keep his line, forcing his own elbow and handlebars below scott's, and with his bike leaning back at that angle, and with the track in the condition it was in, Hans was never gonna stay on. A very difficult decision IMO, but the right one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custom House Kid Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Perhaps Linback should learn to ride like Hans then Crump may not have made the final! (Playing for the professional foul in football) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creamer Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 What comes around goes around has been said by Nicholls in recents weeks, and today it came around. 2 weeks ago, should never had been in the final, but thanks to a British Ref he was. It's a pity really because he had a better chance of winning this week, than 2 weeks ago. How can someone who knows there is a TV camera pointing right at you use language like was used today. Nicholls was unlucky in my opinion, but hey it's over now and not a damn things anyone can do about it. Anything else i say will no doubt just be a repeat of what's already been said. Congrats to Andreas "s*** happens f*** it" Jonsson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Either one could have gone, Nicholls for nudging Andersen off, or Andersen for causing the stoppage. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It was a 50/50 but the ref made an inconsistent decision compared to those he had already made! For my part, if that had been Panthers v The Bees I'd have happily been shouting for Nicholls exclusion but on the night I want Nicholls to win so I wanted Hans excluded, it could have gone any way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 (edited) Personally, and with respect to all other contributors, I feel that Nicholls got the thin of the wedge here given some of the referee's earlier decisions in this GP. Pedersen had already fallen off in the first attempt to run the semi and Scott was well in front of Andersen. He then passes him again in the re-run and Andersen falls off without any contact. OK there was barging between the 2 of them coming down the straight (50/50?), Nicholls had won that tussle, got the line, did not move out and Hans fell off of his own accord. It doesn't matter whether it was wet or not. Andersen's reason for falling was his own lack of control in the bend. And, lets face it, if Nicki had got off the track in the first running, instead of kneeling in the mud gesticualting in a 'Its not fair' way, Nicholls would have easily beaten Andersen and made the Final for the 2nd GP running. What a shame Nicki didn't act as quickly and sportingly as Jason Crump did when he fell in the Final. Well done the Brit for riding so well in conditions that do not suit non-gaters and well done to AJ for winning the Final. The best rider on view, even if on his home track, and deservedly in the Final, unlike a couple of the others. A shame Greg didn't make the Final and keep the WC going a bit longer than it will (why didn't you chose blue Greg?) A great meeting and well done to all for getting it on and getting on with it. And Creamer: "Creamer Posted Today, 10:56 PM What comes around goes around has been said by Nicholls in recents weeks, and today it came around. 2 weeks ago, should never had been in the final, but thanks to a British Ref he was. It's a pity really because he had a better chance of winning this week, than 2 weeks ago. How can someone who knows there is a TV camera pointing right at you use language like was used today." Pot and kettle? Or are you joking? Hans Andersen's language and violent behaviour at Reading in the World Cup Final was surely far worse than Nicholls' expletives tonight. Edited August 12, 2006 by macca56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 just seen the replay some 20 times now. Firstly nicholls rides right into the side of hans, forcing him a bit wider than he wanted to be You might want to watch it 20 more times, there is no contact. As Scott pulls along side Hans, Hans stops letting the bike run up the natural line that eh had been taking every other lap and flicks it so he starts to turn left. There was definatly no contact until AFTER Hans' bike had flicked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 End of the day, final analysis, people can watch it until the cows come home and then continue watching it until the cows go back out again and they're not going to change their minds. Those who are devoted to Nicholls will still believe he did nothing wrong and those that are devoted to Andersen will still believe the referee was correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creamer Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 How can someone who knows there is a TV camera pointing right at you use language like was used today." Pot and kettle? Or are you joking? Hans Andersen's language and violent behaviour at Reading in the World Cup Final was surely far worse than Nicholls' expletives tonight. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Exactly my point, in the heat of the moment, people say things before they really think about it, wether one comment was worse than another isn't really here or there. Although this isn't the first time i have heard Nicholls use foul language on live tv. It's not right for anyone to use that kind of language on TV, no matter who it is or how much of it there is. I just find it funny that many people were using Andersen's language as amuntion during the world cup, claiming that others never used it. That's all that comment was meant to be... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Andersen could've rode it differently. He's an aggressive defensive rider. He defends his lead (or second place, whatever) until it's gone which is why he's so great to watch (IMO). <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Wouldn't disagree with that at all pal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_a Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 hand andersen is just a cheat he has showed it over and over again the gp circuit was a much better place whilst hans was out of it sulking we wants to grow up and think about other riders cause he is going to eith hurt someone or is going to meet his match and get hurt himself the arrogant prick just wants that smug smile wiped off his face Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 (edited) Exactly my point, in the heat of the moment, people say things before they really think about it, wether one comment was worse than another isn't really here or there. Although this isn't the first time i have heard Nicholls use foul language on live tv.It's not right for anyone to use that kind of language on TV, no matter who it is or how much of it there is. I just find it funny that many people were using Andersen's language as amuntion during the world cup, claiming that others never used it. That's all that comment was meant to be... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Fair comment and point made. I just didn't see Nicholls being violent or scaring a female TV interviewer with his behaviour. I suppose if we take your view a bit further, there would be no televised football (some may say not a bad thing), but of course that would never happen. Maybe we expect too much from the speedway fraternity and are lucky that it is only very rarely it happens. (I wonder if F1 drivers swear under their helmets, but we don't get to hear it? Could be interesting - Schumi you are a ******* - Alonso you little ***** - Jenson, what the **** are you doing in 1st place) Edited August 12, 2006 by macca56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creamer Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 hand andersen is just a cheat he has showed it over and over again the gp circuit was a much better place whilst hans was out of it sulking we wants to grow up and think about other riders cause he is going to eith hurt someone or is going to meet his match and get hurt himself the arrogant prick just wants that smug smile wiped off his face <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So your opinion is based solely from a neutral standpoint, and you have no liking or disliking of any riders on the "circuit"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty2hotty Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Hans was well out of order tonight in the GP. He is a great rider and doesn't need to do that sort of thing. the chances are if he had let Nicholls through he would probably have overshot the bend because of his speed and Hans could have nipped up the inside. However, I am happy to see one Brit with some passion and determination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creamer Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Fair comment and point made. I just didn't see Nicholls being violent or scaring a female TV interviewer with his behaviour. I suppose if we take your view a bit further, there would be no televised football (some may say not a bad thing), but of course that would never happen. Maybe we expect too much from the speedway fraternity and are lucky that it is only very rarely it happens. (I wonder if F1 drivers swear under their helmets, but we don't get to hear it? Could be interesting - Schumi you are a ******* - Alonso you little ***** - Jenson, what the **** are you doing in 1st place) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He may have "lost his temper" as for scaring our dear female tv presenter, the whole pits is filled with testosterone, but that's a different argument. F1, i am waiting for the moment they cut to the drivers/pits radio, and i hear something like that... So far they have had a little too much restraint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest schumifan Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Schumi you are a ******* - Alonso you little ***** <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I beg your pardon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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