arnieg Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Here, Here ! Top 8 from previous year (no change there) If a qualifying rider elects not to take part, his place is offered to the next highest rider - 9th. Top 2 averages (not already qualified from above) from each of the Swedish, Polish & GB "elite" leagues. This would allow for qualification year long through domestic racing which could be seen to provide greater reward to 100% effort at all meetings. If a rider qualifies based on his average from two/three leagues - the higher average would take priority and he would be considered as already qualified in the others. No single round wild cards - does this generally serve any purpose? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not perfect - but nothing ever is - My one reservation is the wild card. Would a Slovenian GP really still take place without Zagar as a wild card? The GP needs to make commercial sense and adding Stread or Loram to the Cardiff GP would make financial sense. Incidentally using this formula and current GP/league averages, the following would qualify: Poland: Ulamek and Hampel Sweden: Jensen and Jagus Britain: Andersen and P Karlsson Reserves would all be "Poles" too: Kolodziej (Pol), Protasiewicz (GB) and Holta (Swe) nb I 'm using sportoweFakty averages because they are all in one place and easy to find. Pepe gets the GB reserve spot ahead of Loram by 0.006. Speedway Star averages show Loram ahead of PP (because they include one more match (8 Aug @BV) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulli Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Not perfect - but nothing ever is - My one reservation is the wild card. Would a Slovenian GP really still take place without Zagar as a wild card? The GP needs to make commercial sense and adding Stread or Loram to the Cardiff GP would make financial sense. Incidentally using this formula and current GP/league averages, the following would qualify: Poland: Ulamek and Hampel Sweden: Jensen and Jagus Britain: Andersen and P Karlsson Reserves would all be "Poles" too: Kolodziej (Pol), Protasiewicz (GB) and Holta (Swe) nb I 'm using sportoweFakty averages because they are all in one place and easy to find. Pepe gets the GB reserve spot ahead of Loram by 0.006. Speedway Star averages show Loram ahead of PP (because they include one more match (8 Aug @BV) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Point about the wild card taken - here's an alternative .... Top six qualify from GP series. Top two averages from Sweden, Poland & GB leagues. Top three from individual qualifying series final. One meeting wild card. This way would give "new blood" a chance as over 50% of the qualifying comes from sources external to the current series. Obviously if a rider is having a poor GP series he would still be able to qualify through consistently good league form - really top riders would have three chances as they generally ride on all three leagues. Small point - in my suggestion I was planning for the series reserves to come from the qualifying series final, not the leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 No. Mark had his chance and its time for the youngsters. If he wanted it he should have applied to enter and quaify through this year. It was awful watching some old Norwegian beat him in his last GP. Don't want to see that again. Let the youngsters have a go. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He should have entered the qualifiers this year if only to send a message that he was genuinly interested again. Even if he did not automatically qualify which is unlikely, there being only 3 places available, he would have been given serious consideration by FIM/BSI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Whya Brit? I want to see 16 good riders, not 2 Brits, 2 Swedes, 2 Danes, 2 Germna,s 2 Aussies, 2 czechs etc etc. Natoinality is irrelevant it should be the best 16 riders in the World. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Totally agree SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big lebowski Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Fair points, one and all. What's the betting the 'powers that be' come up with something totally mad as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Bee Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Get Harris in. He can mix it with the big boys he's young and he's a racer. Just what the series needs if there HAS to be another Brit in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Still think there should be a meeting for those outside the top 8 and the winners of a qualifying series with the first so many getting in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 What a state British speedway is in. The youngsters - Harris and Stead seem to be the most prominent among them - would be an embarrassment in the GPs, so we have to look at the likes of Loram. I just can't understand Messrs Millard and Pearson always going on about Stead being a future GP star - he can't even hold down a team place in Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweet_lil_mystery Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Yeah I'd love to see Loram back in it, he's been great this season. And I dunno about Stead and Harris... I don't really think they're quite ready yet. So put Loram in I say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robpeasley Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Subedei, Well, Poland have still got "old man" Gollob in the GP series (we here about all these up-and-coming Poles, but Hampel is only one to have a regular GP spot - and he seems to be losing his way). So why not "old man" Loram as well? He's clearly the second best Brit about at the moment, and I think, he is amongst the best 16 in the world as well. Wouldn't be at all suprised to see him included next year. After all, the GP series has just lost one of its main drawcards in Tony Rickardsson, and Loram, as a former World Champ, is a star name. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Bee Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Harris an embaressment? Like he was in the world cup I suppose against GP opposition. Hope he qualifies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 He's clearly the second best Brit about at the moment, and I think, he is amongst the best 16 in the world as well. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If the stats are right and i am no stats man.He is 27th in the Ekstraliga and 24th in Sweden. Maybe all put together he is amongst the best 15(we do need a wildcard i guess),but the fact remains he didn't even try to qualify.Give the places to the best who have gone through the process of competing against each other through the system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Harris an embaressment? Like he was in the world cup I suppose against GP opposition. Hope he qualifies <{POST_SNAPBACK}> In the SWC final, the only GP rider he defeated was Antonio Lindback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robpeasley Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Iris123, League form, is to some extent, irrevelant. It's form in World events that count. And Loram showed, during the SWC that he is Britain's second best rider and that he is maybe amongst the 15 best in the world. Also, Loram didn't so much not enter the round this year, as have the opportunity taken away from him. Remember all the hoo-hah regarding the British Final? Subedei, Er... didn't Harris WIN a race during the SWC Final?... three beaten opponents there already!! I agree that he's not ready for the GP series though. Will be interesting to see how Stead, Harris and Howe (if Kolodziej is still unfit) fare in the GP qualifying final in a week's time. If none of them perform, then it has to be Loram in the 2007 GP series. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Yes Rob.But it is his league form everyone is raving about and saying he should be in the GP's because of it.Also part of the problem was that he wouldn't commit to going further in the qualis,wasn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest schumifan Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Yes Rob.But it is his league form everyone is raving about and saying he should be in the GP's because of it.Also part of the problem was that he wouldn't commit to going further in the qualis,wasn't it? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Uh oh. Don't open up that can of worms again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Subedei, Er... didn't Harris WIN a race during the SWC Final?... three beaten opponents there already!! I agree that he's not ready for the GP series though. All the best Rob <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Make that TWO beaten opponents, since the third, Hans Andersen, was excluded after Harris - yes HARRIS - did his dying swan impersonation when he realised he couldn't hold Andersen off. So, if there'd been a decent referee, he wouldn't have even beaten Lindback, since he'd have been excluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Uh oh. Don't open up that can of worms again <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Rob started it,not me.Honest Shazzy I see she has joined us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 No. Mark had his chance and its time for the youngsters. If he wanted it he should have applied to enter and quaify through this year.It was awful watching some old Norwegian beat him in his last GP. Don't want to see that again. Let the youngsters have a go. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I liked you up until that posting Mr Shovlar, roll on next Friday/Saturday Will he be world champ again? not likely, but good GP's for TV with him in the races - Definitely. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> oh how much of heaven would that be for the Mark fans, they gave Chris Louis a 2nd chance at Cardiff one year so why not let Mark be a wild card, get the noiseometer ready for when he appears on the tv., or on track at Cardiff or any other GP track!!!! Made me cry one year was so emotional, this lad that I've known since we were kids at Canterbury now a national hero! Who would of thought it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Rob started it,not me.Honest Shazzy I see she has joined us <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Had to read the whole thread before replying Iris Was going to reply to your posting there but not going to argue on this count just think it would be wonderful to see Mark in the GPs again next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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