Subedei Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Here's the arguement for nominating not qualifying, is Jagus really a better rider over a season than Karlsson?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> And the arguement for qualifying over nominating is, of course, that Hans Andersen wasn't deemed worthy of a nomination for this season, while Lee Richardson was. Qualifying is infinitely superior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joester Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Well done to Jagus never expected him to qualify! Hopefully Bomber will get the call up for the GP's if Rico gets the chop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stargirl91 Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Kolodziej misses out or replacing the unperforming Hampel? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hampel made it to the semi's in the last GP, and has made it to the final in a couple this year too. he had a dip in the middle, but how is he underperforming. in all his league scores hes scoring 10-14 points a meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 And if there were no nominations and only a wild card, the top 7 from this meeting would meet the top 8 from, this year's GP leading to these riders being in next year's GP: 1) (5) Wieslaw Jagus, Polen, 12p ( 3 3 1 3 2 ) + 3 2) (9) Rune Holta, Norge, 12p ( 3 2 3 1 3 ) + 2 3) (15) Hans Andersen, Danmark, 15p ( 3 3 3 3 3 ) + 1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) (4) Peter Karlsson, Sverige, 14p ( 3 3 3 2 3 ) + 0 5) (1) Chris Harris, Stobritannien, 11p ( 2 1 3 3 2 ) 6) (12) Kaj Laukkanen, Finland, 9p ( 1 1 2 2 3 ) 7) (2) Charlie Gjedde, Danmark, 8p ( 1 2 0 3 2) Which really wouldn't be too bad and might force other riders to do the qualifiers. Are there any other sports that nominate its world finalists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 My picks for tonight...Hans, Rune and Jagus. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> First Tricast I've ever got I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double_0 Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Well done to Bomber on a good performance. Improving all the time,scoring well abroad and in WTC etc. Dont think he will get a wild card for 2007 but can see him moving up to the step next year ready for 2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Yes it is Anders Nilsson who has provided the updates from Vetlanda. Well Thank You to him Updates from foreign meeting are often either hard to come by or we dcan't understand them. Much apreciated. (as are all updates) And if there were no nominations and only a wild card, the top 7 from this meeting would meet the top 8 from, this year's GP leading to these riders being in next year'sOr how about, as they used to do, the top 9 from this meeting, meet the bottom 7 from the GP's (would be 10 from this meeting due to TRicks retirement) and the top 7 from that meeting join the top 8 from the GP series. Because there's nothing to say the bottom 7 in the GP series are not actually top 15 material. Are there any other sports that nominate its world finalists?F1, Superbikes...... Surely you're not telling me Fernando Alonso is not considered World Champion because none of the F1 guys qualified and everyone of them was in effect nominated, generally for commercial reasons! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJT Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Well done Bomber, its not often that a Cornish sportsman steps up on the world stage and he has done the county proud. Lets hope the local papers give you the coverage you deserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Speedway Star this week said it was "inconceivable" that there wouldn't be 2 Brits in the Series. Given the magazine's ties with the GP's there is probably some truth in that comment. If there is to be a 2nd Brit through this loathed seeding system then Bomber must be the pick, it would be grossly unfair if Stead or richardson got the nomination in front of him. Having said that I don't agree with this quota idea of giving countries a certain amount of representation. If the Brits aren't good enough then they shouldn't be in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarabanko Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 attendance: 2600 in wet conditions. It was only the start and first bend were everything was done tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest schumifan Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Thanks for the updates Anders. Really appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 (edited) Well Thank You to him Updates from foreign meeting are often either hard to come by or we dcan't understand them. Much apreciated. (as are all updates) Totally agreed. Brilliant and many thanks. Or how about, as they used to do, the top 9 from this meeting, meet the bottom 7 from the GP's (would be 10 from this meeting due to TRicks retirement) and the top 7 from that meeting join the top 8 from the GP series. Because there's nothing to say the bottom 7 in the GP series are not actually top 15 material. Yep, agreed. That would be a brilliant way of doing it and what a meeting. Sky might even cover it? F1, Superbikes...... Surely you're not telling me Fernando Alonso is not considered World Champion because none of the F1 guys qualified and everyone of them was in effect nominated, generally for commercial reasons! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not sure I understand this comment. I don't think Renault, Ferrari, etc. are actually nominated which is my point. They compete because they can and I guess if there is any 'driver qualification' it is through junior formulae of both sports. Sorry, probably misunderstood your point I guess...... Edited August 19, 2006 by macca56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMarvel Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Well done to Jagus, Holta and Hans, certainly should make for astrong GP series in 07. Feel sorry for PK - may be a wild card for him? and well done Bomber sirely if a GP pick is going to the UK than Bomber has to be above Lee and Stead and Mark?? Also fair play to the club for getting this meeting on and the service iven on the internet. Please please BSPA take note covering the track works! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 (edited) Having said that I don't agree with this quota idea of giving countries a certain amount of representation. If the Brits aren't good enough then they shouldn't be in.So whos better then? Surely has to be a current GP rider or someone who finished ahead of him in this meeting? So we have GP riders..... Hampel Zagar Lindback Iversen Richardson Protasaweicz Rider to fiish ahead of him tonight Karlsson So we have 7 rider+ Harris = 8 for 4 slots. Pepe has had so many chances it's ludicrous and he finished below Bomber tonight so we're down to 7 rider left. We've all said Richardsons time is up, so we're down to finding 1 rider to take out of the GP's and give his place to Bomber. Surely if Richardson on 34 goes, Iversen on 36 has to be seen as not good enough. Then of course there's Peter Karlsson, I can't see BSI nominating him either. So all in all, I'd say things must look good for Bomber?! Not sure I understand this comment. I don't think Renault, Ferrari, etc. are actually nominated which is my point. They compete because they can and I guess if there is any 'driver qualification' it is through junior formulae of both sports. Sorry, probably misunderstood your comment I guess......Driver places in F1 comes down to sponsorship and commercial gain, Minardi (I think it was them) wanted 2 Brits about 3 years ago and told them they both had to find £x million in sponsorship or they'd be forced to pick between the 2 as they could only have 1 Brit or the other. I seem to remember sponsorship meant that neither got the drive in the end! No F1 team that I can think of has ever had two drivers of the same Nationality. It's gone nothing to with junior forumulae, it's down to the owner fo rht eteam picking the 2 best drivers for his team and that an amalgamation of talent and commercial gain. There's certainly no qualifying for the F1 championship, no "if you win this race/series you'll be an F1 driver next year", it just doesn't happen, certian formulae draw the F1 bosses to your attention but thats about it. Edited August 19, 2006 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisB Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Speedway Star this week said it was "inconceivable" that there wouldn't be 2 Brits in the Series.Given the magazine's ties with the GP's there is probably some truth in that comment. If there is to be a 2nd Brit through this loathed seeding system then Bomber must be the pick, it would be grossly unfair if Stead or richardson got the nomination in front of him. Having said that I don't agree with this quota idea of giving countries a certain amount of representation. If the Brits aren't good enough then they shouldn't be in. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> My vote is for Loram ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 So whos better then? Surely has to be a current GP rider or someone who finished ahead of him in this meeting? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not saying that Bomber shouldn't get in as things stand. I am glad he rode so well tonight and has given himself every chance of being seeded. Imagine if he'd only got 5 or 6 points but BSI still seeded a Brit to make 2. I agree with you that PK is likely to be the guy with the hard luck story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 (edited) Driver places in F1 comes down to sponsorship and commercial gain, Minardi (I think it was them) wanted 2 Brits about 3 years ago and told them they both had to find £x million in sponsorship or they'd be forced to pick between the 2 as they could only have 1 Brit or the other. I seem to remember sponsorship meant that neither got the drive in the end! No F1 team that I can think of has ever had two drivers of the same Nationality. It's gone nothing to with junior forumulae, it's down to the owner fo rht eteam picking the 2 best drivers for his team and that an amalgamation of talent and commercial gain. There's certainly no qualifying for the F1 championship, no "if you win this race/series you'll be an F1 driver next year", it just doesn't happen, certian formulae draw the F1 bosses to your attention but thats about it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I appreciate that this is a Speedway forum and I have no desire to continue this thread, but my point was that Speedway, as far as I know, is the only sport that currently 'nominates' its world finalists. F1, as far as I know does not 'nominate' its world finalists - if they did, it could be quite interesting though. Agreed there is no formal qualification, apart from the ability to obtain the budget, comply to the regulations, etc. but also they are not 'nominated'. I'm not sure what the 2 x drivers from the same nationality has to do with any of this, but I'm sure I remember Blundell & Brundle both driving for Brabham in 1991 (and Ligier in 1993) and Hill & Coulthard for Williams in 1995 (and I'm guessing there would be loads more if I bothered to look back over history). Edited August 19, 2006 by macca56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest schumifan Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Driver places in F1 comes down to sponsorship and commercial gain, Minardi (I think it was them) wanted 2 Brits about 3 years ago and told them they both had to find £x million in sponsorship or they'd be forced to pick between the 2 as they could only have 1 Brit or the other. I seem to remember sponsorship meant that neither got the drive in the end! No F1 team that I can think of has ever had two drivers of the same Nationality. It's gone nothing to with junior forumulae, it's down to the owner fo rht eteam picking the 2 best drivers for his team and that an amalgamation of talent and commercial gain. There's certainly no qualifying for the F1 championship, no "if you win this race/series you'll be an F1 driver next year", it just doesn't happen, certian formulae draw the F1 bosses to your attention but thats about it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Look forward to seeing you in the F1 thread... ...when I've worked out what you're on about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anders Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 I´m glad you all enjoyed the online coverage, it seemed the natural thing to do it both in Swedish and English as there are so many International viewers (on the website) for a meeting like that. Heats over by the first bends? Really? I must have slept as Max went from 2nd to 4th in one heat for example. Sure it wasn´t the best of meeting at Vetlanda this year, but I think it was fairly entertaining (Gafurov - what a rider!) and to say it was all over by the first bend, well, I just don´t agree. Well, I´m locking off my office now and I´ll go grab a beer, or what else is left in the restaurant... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Just like to add my thanks to Anders for the updates tonight - great work!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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