Addy Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Oops, yes I did miss the point. Understand now, can see your point even more. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Brill (This affectation by sky presenters has been annoying a few of us for a while) ... and it doesn't surprise me that the man can speak fluent Swedish - I think this man - love him or hate him is a man to be reckoned with ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 I'll be watching the repeat with interest this morning......I must admit I felt that Hans was up to his old (present? future?) tricks until Scott passed him....which just made it sweeter I am certain that Hans will be the next guy to step up to challenge Jason Crump for world championships but until he stops making square bends and looking at his opponents as targets, his list of detractors will keep growing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 For me Andersen's move on the third bend was not fair, but there you go, its all about opinion isn't it! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Indeed it is. You can get 2 supporters standing right next to each other and they'll see the same incident completly differently! Fascinating isn't it? Its a pity he has to do that now and again because he is a damn good rider and I would have him in my team every time. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hans Andersen - World champion next year. Missing out on the GP is the best thing that could have happened to him. Much in the same way Loram missed out on year in the 90s, and came back a much, much better rider. The guy's brilliant. Choosing their line is the right of a rider in front I agree, but there has to be a limit and for me that is reached when that rider chops straight across an opponent to stop them in their tracks. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> When a rider is coming through from the back, I'd agree. Never like it when a rider comes out of either 2nd/4th bend and cuts right across the opponent (who was leading). This one was fair though. Andersen was leading, and chose his racing lines. Let's face it, the racing line 'round most tracks is right by the boards isn't it? Nicholls was surely expecting it, wasn't he? I know I was! Isn't it time you were going to work MrMungo <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sorry Mum! They actually gave me Mon - Thu off, so I could sit back and enjoy (most of) the World Cup 3 weeks off in August too. Don't think they like me too much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joanne Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 From what I saw sitting at the tapes both Hans and Scott were riding hard but I will watch that particular race again tonight. Not many racing lines on a tight and dusty surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirelnutkins Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 when in actual fact it was the other way around!! Hans Andersen 2 times GP winner, Nicholls serial GP bottler <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Excatly! Think it was very childish! Lost all respect for Scott Nicholls now! C'mon Denmark in the final! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirate paul Posted July 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Never like it when a rider comes out of either 2nd/4th bend and cuts right across the opponent (who was leading). This one was fair though. Andersen was leading, and chose his racing lines. Let's face it, the racing line 'round most tracks is right by the boards isn't it? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh please. He didn't just change line he arrowed right across the track. I wonder how different the reaction would be had it been Nicki P and not Andersen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobC Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 From my view,sitting just behind the start,Hans move looked lethal.As has been said,riding an opponent out is one thing,but to appear to chop him off is not on.Such was the ferocity of his move that I swear his footrest touched the kickboards.From white line to kickboard in such a manner is dangerous.How on earth can that be judged as fair? Fortunately,Scott had the foresight to back off a little.If he hadnt,gawd knows what would have happened.Scott then returned the compliment,with far less force,yet you could visibly see Hans not like it.He likes to dish it out,but gets all sulky when its returned. It is such a shame,as on current form,I think he is probably 2nd only to Crump. Note:These are my thoughts having been at the event.I have not watched the action on tv to prove/disprove my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 isnt this just how the danes ride these days? the two pedersons and anderson? "get out my way im coming through" im sure the aussies will deal with them in the final, but what a crap track last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb the Snail Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 The man is a complete tosser like his friend Mr Pedersen. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh come on! It's bad enough having another anti-Hans thread without dragging other riders into it. Boring. Paul, you need to stop pussy footing around and say what you really feel. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quality post! What a boring sport we would all follow if there weren't a few "villains" around. There is a fine line between ruthless determination and reckless riding, and some riders push it to the extreme, but that's what makes them winners and provides us all with so much entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizza Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Scott then returned the compliment,with far less force,yet you could visibly see Hans not like it. He likes to dish it out, but gets all sulky when it's returned. This is precisely why this sort of thread evolves. Remember Cardiff and the Andersen/Holta incident? Holta rode Andersen fairly hard, but tolerable. What happened next? Down came the Andersen red mist and a lap later, he nigh on t-boned Holta and got himself excluded. In the following interview, all Andersen could say was that Holta did the same to him! Now I always try not to be anti-anyone. In fact, I think it's a travesty that HA isn't in the GP series (though he will doubtless see the benefit when he returns next year). However, this sort of event only reinforces some of the negativity shown in this thread. And for the record, I didn't like Nicholls show of unsporting conduct either.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary moore Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Agree 100% with you, any excuse to have another snipe at HANS. Pretty pathetic in my Opinion <{POST_SNAPBACK}> mmmmm I wonder why that is then? I dont find him exciting thats because I dont like dirty riders but obviously I`m in the minority? Its the same as when me and my wife went to Poole for the first time a couple of weeks ago to see them against Belle Vue,the stadium is awesome,the big screen was great the massive crowd was something else and the atmosphere was terrific. The racing oh dear..... But the crowd were going wild at five ones no passing just totally boring. We left early. Again it seem we are in the minority? Sorry Mr Shovlar!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 The guy's brilliant. LIKE, do we give a t*ss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 ,yet you could visibly see Hans not like it.He likes to dish it out,but gets all sulky when its returned. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> eeer no, incorrect Post race after the interview Hans admitted Scott had ridden well and said "What goes around comes around" clearly, IMO, meaning I rode hard, he rode hard and he got the better of me this time and I have to accept it. No dummies no toys slung at all. As they were on the wind down lap HE was the one who, after losing the race, offered the hand of congratulation to SN. So please explain how this make him sulky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Its just a pity that Nicholls cant control his childish behaviour. If he was so able Im sure hed be winning GPs and much more than he has so far. As captain of England I thought it was disgraceful when he was offered the hand from Hans and he just pushed it away. Alot of it goes back to the fact that Nicholls was unable to deal with the fact that Hans was more popular at Ipswich than Nicholls ever was. Hans behaved impecably as always. Dropped just the one point in that race and has a great chance of leading Denmark to glory in the final on Saturday. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I have not joined this 'debate' so far but this post sums up some of the complete nonsense being aired. If any of you have raced a speedway bike you will know that one of the most dangerous things a rider can do is change their line rapidly, like Andersen did. Sometimes it happens involuntarily but this was on purpose. Someone less skilled than Scott could well have ended up seriously hurt. There is an unwritten code of conduct amongst racers and Andersen broke it. It is not childish whatsoever to point that out. The comment about popularity at Ipswich is also a complete fantasy. I presume this is based on the 100 or so people that voted for Andersen in an end of season competition between all 7 Ipswich riders? Ipswich has around 130,000 population and the ususla Foxhall crowds are 1500-2000 so it's just a complete lie. So as for Hans behaving impecably, I suppose as they say, love is blind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonsFanSW Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Poor sportsmanship? Lost all respect for Scott Nicholls? Should have shaken his hand? Is this speedway or tiddlywinks? TWICE Andersen came mighty close to taking Scott out, and if Scott had not reacted so quickly, it would have got messy. The sport is dangerous enough already, without moves like those. As others have said on here, there is a difference between hard riding and riding dangerously. IMO Andersen was out of order both in the race and then in the interview afterwards, "What goes around comes around" indeed. Scott's move on him was hard but fair. Last night's incident shows you why Hans has got a reputation. Someone mentioned Schumacher in F1 and Roy Keane in football. So you are inferring that you have to have a nasty edge and/or a willingness to take out your opponents to be a winner? What absolute tripe. Of course, it helps, but many of the greatest sportsmen of the last century have not been within that category. Muhammad Ali, Ronnie Moore, Bjorn Borg, Pele, Michael Jordan. All respected by their fans and opponents, all legends in their own sport and none of them nasty or unsporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 These are the incidents that make for interesting viewing, I don’t care what anyone says, a bit of niggle between teams in any sport will make viewing figures increase. My thoughts on the race were that Hans pulled off one of his ‘specialty’ moves that he does time and time again if he knows a rider is coming round him. It must be taught in Danish schools because we have all seen Nicki do it and I have also witnessed it done by Bjarne and Bjerre. Scott should have telegraphed it better as soon as he saw Hans riding out but as it happens he didn’t but pulled off a great switch to give Hans a taste of his own medicine and win the race. Now what would have been classy is Scott shaking Hans hand as if nothing had happened, that would have hurt Hans pride more than refusing to shake his hand and looking like Hans got to him. That is what disappoints me a little with Scott is his tendency to let the red mist rule him when he could do more damage by acting differently. Hans knew what he had done and knew Scott had got him back and was willing to shake hands because as he says what goes around comes around. The other thing I find amusing is Sky blatant bias toward team GB which is fine but it does make them look silly at times. The first example being the whole Hans/Scott hand shaking episode and their view that Scott offered his hand to the big bad wolf and he wouldn’t shake it. Then after seeing it again it was clear that it was the other way round. The second example was the whole first bend bunching debate. When Nicki Pedersen came off having really nowhere to go it was obviously his fault for the stoppage and as it gave GB an advantage he MUST be excluded (Nigel Pearson was making himself look a bit daft during this bit if you ask me). Tatum was trying to agree in the nicest possible way without telling Pearson he was talking out of his rear and that type of incident has had all 4 back since year dot. Lo and behold when Chris Harris then falls foul to a bit of first bend bunching and ‘was the cause of the stoppage’ it’s all forgotten about and it MUST be all 4 back. I found it funny anyhow……….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Star Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 I'm not surprised in the least to see this thread on here because quite a few people seem to take great delight in slagging off Hans Andersen at every available opportunity. What does amaze me though is that this tread was started at 8.57pm yesterday by someone who claims to support Team GB and there had been almost 40 replies before last night's meeting at Reading had even finished! Obviously none of these people were actually at the track to support Team GB and some of them were clearly sat in front of their computers and not watching all of the event on TV. Some supporters have very strange priorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 I admire anyone with the talent of Andersen & (of course Nicki P!). However, with that amount of class, it makes it all the more bewildering when stunts like that are pulled. There's hard riding (all part of a winners make up) & then there's unacceptible riding. Doesn't matter if it's your idol or not - it's still wrong. Can't imagine anyone shaking hands 10 seconds after nearly being put into Row K. (More like shake his neck). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobC Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 eeer no, incorrect Post race after the interview Hans admitted Scott had ridden well and said "What goes around comes around" clearly, IMO, meaning I rode hard, he rode hard and he got the better of me this time and I have to accept it. No dummies no toys slung at all. As they were on the wind down lap HE was the one who, after losing the race, offered the hand of congratulation to SN. So please explain how this make him sulky? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Still not seen the Sky coverage,so cant comment on what was shown on tv. Sulky? Damned right he was.After the race had finished,Hans kept his motor on a little longer,went out wide,and tried to nudge Scott.Much as it was on bend 4 a few moments earlier,Scott had to take avoiding action. Yet you still insist that Scott should have shaken his hand! Unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Yet you still insist that Scott should have shaken his hand! Unreal. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes I do for two reasons, which obviously you are unable to fathom. Ever been a sportsman?? 1/ It's quite acceptable to shake someones hand and at the same time a wee word in their ear at the same time, something along the lines of that move was a disgrace and I take great pleasure in accpeting your congratulations cos I still beat you even tho you tried to foul me! 2/ Magnanimony in victory ALWAYS gives you the moral high ground. It just undoes the great work SN did in winning that race IMO, and no exmaple to set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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