pirate paul Posted July 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 What does amaze me though is that this tread was started at 8.57pm yesterday by someone who claims to support Team GB and there had been almost 40 replies before last night's meeting at Reading had even finished! Obviously none of these people were actually at the track to support Team GB and some of them were clearly sat in front of their computers and not watching all of the event on TV. Some supporters have very strange priorities. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How dare you question my support for my country. You have absolutely no knowledge of my personal circumstances and the reasons I couldn't be at Reading last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bee 26 Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Yes I do for two reasons, which obviously you are unable to fathom. Ever been a sportsman?? 1/ It's quite acceptable to shake someones hand and at the same time a wee word in their ear at the same time, something along the lines of that move was a disgrace and I take great pleasure in accpeting your congratulations cos I still beat you even tho you tried to foul me! 2/ Magnanimony in victory ALWAYS gives you the moral high ground. It just undoes the great work SN did in winning that race IMO, and no exmaple to set. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Shake hands with someone that's tried to put you in the fence....somehow I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Shake hands with someone that's tried to put you in the fence....somehow I don't think so. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah righty opinion be divided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Just watched the move on tv, was standing right there where it happened on the exit of the fourth bend, Hans most 100% definitely turned right to errrrr "block" Scott, live there wasn't an inch to spare, how Scott didn't collide with Hans I dunno .......... I wouldn't want to shake hands with the crazy guy after that, hand on heart who would ......... Melchitt ??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panthersfan Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Shake hands with someone that's tried to put you in the fence....somehow I don't think so. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If Hans had tried to put Nicholls in the fence, Nicholls would have been in the fence, but he didn't, so he didn't end up in the fence! Hans was simply going from the inside line, to the outside, as (from what i've seen) he did constantly throughout the meeting, and as he was in front, choosing his own line is his prerogative! but oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Star Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 How dare you question my support for my country. You have absolutely no knowledge of my personal circumstances and the reasons I couldn't be at Reading last night. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Excuse me, but you started this thread with some pretty offensive remarks and then you get upset when someone dares to criticise you. How do you think riders feel when they read comments like yours? People who live in glass houses should not throw stones! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruckerroo Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 I wathed a poole dvd from 2 yrs ago,mark loram must be the easiest going rider in the world and even he got the raving needle to hans,who in his usual style rode up the inside of the corner and aimed the bike at mark. As scotty eloquently stated last night"he has got loads of previous for that",well said scott,you should have shaken him firmly by the throat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 If Hans had tried to put Nicholls in the fence, Nicholls would have been in the fence, but he didn't, so he didn't end up in the fence! Hans was simply going from the inside line, to the outside, as (from what i've seen) he did constantly throughout the meeting, and as he was in front, choosing his own line is his prerogative! but oh well. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I can't accept that. Hans certainly knew Nicholls was close but, in my opinion, didn't know exactly where he was when he 'turned right' towards the fence. It all happened so quickly and, worst case, Scott could have been seriously injured or worse. No doubt Hans thought Scott could take avoiding action which fortunately he did but there are occasions when none are possible (viz. Nicki Pedersen on Greg Hancock in the GP). As for Scott returning the favour, well it was hard but done over a longer period of time with Hans having plenty of opportunity to know what was coming and act accordingly. The sportsmanship issue is a little harder to call - no doubt Scott felt that what Hans had just pulled could have seriously injured him as well as the fact that the adrenalin must have still been pumping after a race like that. It was exciting to watch though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxer123 Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 I know of no reason why anyone could not watch the meeting on TV and still make posts on this forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 (edited) i think the worse part is hans's character. lets just say the "turn right" was agreesive and leave it at that, then what exactly did scott do to hans to upset him? oh yes overtook him pushed him wide and left him for dead! but isnt that what speedway is about? spoilt brat spings to mind Edited July 21, 2006 by philfromcov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panthersfan Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Just seen a few replays and genuinely can't see anything wrong with the move. All through the meeting hans had been coming from the inside line at the corner, right across to the fence at a much steeper angle than everyone else, it almost looked as though he looked out the corner of his eye to see where nicholls was, thought he was far enough behind, then came across to the fence, and maybe miscalculated slightly. Whereas nicholls' move on hans seemed a bit more of a red mist situation, where he got rather close to hans' leg mid-corner. Did rather amuse me the handbags from nicholls when hans tried to shake his hand though. When it came down to it though, nicholls and andersen preferred completely different lines, hans going from inside to right on the outside, whereas nicholss going from further outside to more inside, so they were always going to cross, as it looked like Hans was trying to explain to his mechanic after the race. I genuinely believe there was no malice intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 What does amaze me though is that this tread was started at 8.57pm yesterday by someone who claims to support Team GB and there had been almost 40 replies before last night's meeting at Reading had even finished! Obviously none of these people were actually at the track to support Team GB and some of them were clearly sat in front of their computers and not watching all of the event on TV. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Its called having your TV and computer in the same room In any case Sky had so many poxy commercial breaks that there was plenty of time to do both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobC Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Just seen a few replays and genuinely can't see anything wrong with the move. All through the meeting hans had been coming from the inside line at the corner, right across to the fence at a much steeper angle than everyone else, it almost looked as though he looked out the corner of his eye to see where nicholls was, thought he was far enough behind, then came across to the fence, and maybe miscalculated slightly. Whereas nicholls' move on hans seemed a bit more of a red mist situation, where he got rather close to hans' leg mid-corner. Did rather amuse me the handbags from nicholls when hans tried to shake his hand though. When it came down to it though, nicholls and andersen preferred completely different lines, hans going from inside to right on the outside, whereas nicholss going from further outside to more inside, so they were always going to cross, as it looked like Hans was trying to explain to his mechanic after the race. I genuinely believe there was no malice intended. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey,whats it like up in cloud cuckoo land? Ist....Even Hans had to take some action to avoid hitting the fence.Watch how he has to try and straighten the bike.It was this that allowed Scott to pull up the inside.Miscalculated slighty...my arse! 2nd...Take another look at Scott diving under Hans.Infinitely more room than Hans left Scott a straight earlier. 3rd....Are you Hans in disguise? How can you possibly say that there was no malice intended.Only Hans knows the answer to that.He over rode and new it.Scotts pass was hard but very fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 (edited) Just watched the move on tv, was standing right there where it happened on the exit of the fourth bend, Hans most 100% definitely turned right to errrrr "block" Scott, live there wasn't an inch to spare, how Scott didn't collide with Hans I dunno .......... I wouldn't want to shake hands with the crazy guy after that, hand on heart who would ......... Melchitt ??????? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I can't say specifically, I'd like to think i would but as i wasn't in that particular situation, i can't say 100% either way. However many years ago when playing rugby somebody deliberatly aimed an elbow at my throat, luckily it was a glancing blow which only left me with a damaged voicebox. Had it hit my adams apple where i believe it was intened it could have shattered it, causing it to swell and block my windpipe, possibly killing me. At the end of the game the player approached me and offered a handshake, i accepted and told him in no uncertain terms what i thought of his actions, he then apologised and we left it at that. good enuff for you? Edited July 21, 2006 by General Melchitt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jamie Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 unprofessional Scott 'red light' Nicholls = tube / failure / child Hans N (don't forget the N ) Andersen = world class rider commentary team = biased biggest lack of info moment = Mr Pearson telling us Lee Richardson was in as a T/S Joker thingy but blatantly omitting the fact his love child had been shunted from the very same race er, roll on saturday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dump that clutch Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Just seen a few replays and genuinely can't see anything wrong with the move. All through the meeting hans had been coming from the inside line at the corner, right across to the fence at a much steeper angle than everyone else, it almost looked as though he looked out the corner of his eye to see where nicholls was, thought he was far enough behind, then came across to the fence, and maybe miscalculated slightly. Whereas nicholls' move on hans seemed a bit more of a red mist situation, where he got rather close to hans' leg mid-corner. Did rather amuse me the handbags from nicholls when hans tried to shake his hand though. When it came down to it though, nicholls and andersen preferred completely different lines, hans going from inside to right on the outside, whereas nicholss going from further outside to more inside, so they were always going to cross, as it looked like Hans was trying to explain to his mechanic after the race. I genuinely believe there was no malice intended. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> so you actually feel there was no malice intended, as Mr Andersen was sideways on the straight You must be wearing beer goggles my friend. Me thinks that with moves like what hans pulls, he won't have to fear any other opponent, he'll fence himself, and still say on camera, 'what goes around, comes around' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirls Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 i think the worse part is hans's character. lets just say the "turn right" was agreesive and leave it at that, then what exactly did scott do to hans to upset him? oh yes overtook him pushed him wide and left him for dead! but isnt that what speedway is about? spoilt brat spings to mind <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think what upset Hans was Scotty pushing his hand away instead of Shacking it,he didnt seem to have a problem with Scotty beating him in the race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 Just seen a few replays and genuinely can't see anything wrong with the move. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Should've gone to Specsavers................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leanne1706 Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 I'm sorry to add fuel to the fire... and this is my own opinion... but as the two riders were heading back to the pits it did look (I say look - I don't know as I'm not Scotty or Hans) as though Scotty DID go to return Hans' hand shake but then pulled out and pushed his hand away. I have watched the re-run several times and it just looks this way. So maybe Scotty was displaying sportsmanship but then Hans may have said something??? I don't know, and I guess none of us do as we are not Scotty or Hans! It was a good race - and the repsonse on this thread just proves that! Made for entertaining viewing from the sofa anyhow and a lengthy debate in my household that night (am still regaining my voice from shouting/cheering/talking etc ready for tomorrow night!) I'm ready for a barrage of abuse now from Scott and Hans fans - but like I said, this is only my opinion, and I am entitled to that! (I guess being a journalist makes me perhaps more specualtive too... sorry about that! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 It crossed my mind that Scott was thinking when the hand came out to be shook "**** *** I'm not shaking your hand after that move!" lol Why some people think Scott should show sportsmanship after a very unsporting manouvre I don't understand! Normally the riders shake each others hand when they have had a good clean race, showing respect for one another, impossible in that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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