Trees Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 It is their attitude it is always defeatism I don't call their attitude defeatism personally, more realistic, they'd look right dicks if they talked themselves up to win and then things didn't work out, we should just be happy with the knowledge that they are MOST DEFINITELY giving 100% effort, want to racing for TeamGB and doing us and themselves proud! To be fair no rider will say, yes I'll go out and win easy do they, you can't do that! The main thing is they believe in themselves, the authorities are giving them the back up needed and that they do what's necessary on track HERE'S TO TEAMGB on Thursday, GOOD LUCK!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcr Craig Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Great performance by Team GB and thought they all did the nation proud last night. Would have been good to have made it straight through to the final on Saturday night but providing we get through on Thursday it could work a little in our favor having ridden a competitive meeting there 2 days previous. COME ON TEAM GB!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Some fantastic moves made by certain riders throughout the match, a mate said to me Gollob must race with a cork up his behind ..... hehehehe <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm always left wondering what it is about the SWC that brings out the best in Gollob these days. He's had a couple of good GPs this season, but it's all been from the gate. And, of course, he's always a force in the Bydgoszcz GP. But he really shines in the SWC - his team-riding with Russians in 2003, his defeat of Crump in the race-off at Poole in 2004, his tour-de-force in 2005 and now his latest heroics last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
czechhero Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Spoke to a few people at work who watched this meeting last night and they were all well impressed. None of them have ever seen a live meeting yet, so I'll make sure they all come to Brum next season...........fingers crossed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brightonbob Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Greetings from Katowice! I was there with a few mates last night and I think in my short life in speedway that has to be the best and most exciting meeting Ive ever been to. Rybnik as a facility is bloody brilliant for a start. It puts Reading and just about any UK home in the shade. Even Brandon. Great place to go. GB did so very well, but the aussies deserved it really. Poles don't like losing much and let their riders know it. I was texting a mate back in the UK after each couple of races and I was literally shaking after the final heat and could hardly manage it. Just brilliant riding and absolute awesome speedway race after race. Superb. I hope it came across on TV just how heated the atmosphere was. I hope GB just realise that if they raise their game 10% that trophy is theirs. Off to Sweden tonight for a long drive tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 I thought Crump was slightly fortunate to get away with that one, but it was a tough call for the referee - all four restart would've been the best option. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Funnily enough that was my opinion too, Crump squeezed through, just, but clearly his action casued the rider to lose control, in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 (edited) I must admit, my first reaction was that Crumpie caused that particular crash, but my other half felt the Finn rode into the back of him. I too felt that the ref allowed quite a lot of 'rolling' at the starts. How was Gollob allowed to take Jagus' place and his own as a joker in the last 5 races. I did enjoy the meeting very much though, much much closer than anyone predicted I think. Poor Mark looked really nervous, but I do think Thursday will be much more difficult to qualify, I think Kolodziej will be in for the Poles in stead of Jagus. Edited July 17, 2006 by Badge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 The self same way that Leigh Adams was allowed to take 6 rides, including a Joker ride, in the race-off last season. The rules are exactly the same as last season. The only "controversial" matter involving the Poles seems to be the late substitution of Jagus for Kolodziej. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masked_rooster Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 team gb were fantastic last night a great match for the neutral once the first five heats were out of the way. ive billed this as "the real world cup" to freinds and family and they were thrilled.better than those puffs who play football was one quote!especialyy when you put it into context when a football player is headbutted in the chest he collapses like a sack of spuds then you get tomi reima who hits the fence at a ridiculous high speed and walks away with no fuss. looking forward to going saturday now as the boys should storm through.out of curiosity what is the rough capacity for reading speedway stadium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Private Dancer Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 I don't call their attitude defeatism personally, more realistic, they'd look right dicks if they talked themselves up to win and then things didn't work out, we should just be happy with the knowledge that they are MOST DEFINITELY giving 100% effort, want to racing for TeamGB and doing us and themselves proud! To be fair no rider will say, yes I'll go out and win easy do they, you can't do that! The main thing is they believe in themselves, the authorities are giving them the back up needed and that they do what's necessary on track HERE'S TO TEAMGB on Thursday, GOOD LUCK!!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yesterday i agree the team rode well and some above theirselfs. But when individually or has a team was the last time Team GB (England) won anything? Did they go on in following years to follow the likes of the Danes in the Eighties, Sweden, Aussie or Poland in sustaining that level of WINNING play? I think not. Remarkable as it was to have the likes of Peter Collins, Chris Morton, Gary Havelock and Mark Loram as one time winners. It has been few and far between in success. I would love to see Team GB and the individual members of british speedway have a more consistant, sustained level of success. So how do we achieve that aim? It is all and well doing well and coming second or third or forth all the time, but if you want to be remembered you have to win. And in order to win, you must be determined to do so, and not settle for an also ran. Which at the moment some of our riders do. So how do they change that, you may ask? It`s all in the mind, confidence, using your wisdom, being a step ahead of the others, out wit them and think as a champion. Oh well time i went out, see ya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 The self same way that Leigh Adams was allowed to take 6 rides, including a Joker ride, in the race-off last season. The rules are exactly the same as last season. The only "controversial" matter involving the Poles seems to be the late substitution of Jagus for Kolodziej. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sorry I wasn't trying to be controversial at all, merely asking why this is allowed that the same rider in effect has 2 tactical rides? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Just had a chat with a mutual friend, Reima wrecked the biked used in that incident (total write-off including the engine), then tried with another and the engine went from that one. Not a day to remember, but made good tv... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> poor guy but his name will certainly be remembered and he looked handy in his following ride......................would you consider him to be in the same class as Kauko FSP? Yesterday i agree the team rode well and some above theirselfs. But when individually or has a team was the last time Team GB (England) won anything? Did they go on in following years to follow the likes of the Danes in the Eighties, Sweden, Aussie or Poland in sustaining that level of WINNING play? I think not. Remarkable as it was to have the likes of Peter Collins, Chris Morton, Gary Havelock and Mark Loram as one time winners. It has been few and far between in success. I would love to see Team GB and the individual members of british speedway have a more consistant, sustained level of success. So how do we achieve that aim? It is all and well doing well and coming second or third or forth all the time, but if you want to be remembered you have to win. And in order to win, you must be determined to do so, and not settle for an also ran. Which at the moment some of our riders do. So how do they change that, you may ask? It`s all in the mind, confidence, using your wisdom, being a step ahead of the others, out wit them and think as a champion. Oh well time i went out, see ya <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If any criticism should be aimed at a team of GB riders then it should be at the late 70's and early 80's teams ............we had the likes of Collins, Morton, Jessup, Carter, Lee, Simmonds, and countless other 8 and 9 point riders to support them and yet we only walked away with one title in the era How do we acheive that aim? By following through with the grading system (not making a mockery of it) and then nurturing the guys right up to international level................................one other thing to consider is the lucrative sponsorship deals that the Swedes, Danes and Poles manage to pull off...........until our guys gain the same they will always be playing catch up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Snackette Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 ............................How was Gollob allowed to take Jagus' place and his own as a joker in the last 5 races................... Badge, as Subedei was a bit curt in his reply, go to the following link: http://www.fim.ch/EN/rules/Sportifs/ccp/2006/CCP_078_en.pdf It will allow you to download a copy of the competition rules. Hopefully this will add to your enjoyment and understanding of the competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Badge, as Subedei was a bit curt in his reply, go to the following link: http://www.fim.ch/EN/rules/Sportifs/ccp/2006/CCP_078_en.pdf It will allow you to download a copy of the competition rules. Hopefully this will add to your enjoyment and understanding of the competition. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You are too kind Mr S. However if you go to page 21, where the Tacticals are to be found, I would be grateful of some help.The last paragraph states and I quote: "No rider will be permitted more than one nomination, either as a Tactical substitute or as a Tactical joker" Am I taking this too literally or should Tomasz have done either/or and not both.As I said your help would be appreciated. Thanks Badge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goose Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 was a very good meeting we forced my grandad and nan to watch who dont normally watch speedway but by the end my nan was shouting along with us at the tv hope todds nuts r ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 hope todds nuts r ok <{POST_SNAPBACK}> oh dear shazzy really has got such a warped sense of humour at the moment, can't stop laughing now what with Liontamers comments this morning and now you Goose, to think I got to go to work in 45mins as well, god help them late night shoppers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 "No rider will be permitted more than one nomination, either as a Tactical substitute or as a Tactical joker" Am I taking this too literally or should Tomasz have done either/or and not both.As I said your help would be appreciated. I agree. It's either a tac sub as a joker OR a tac sub OR a joke. We should get 3 of the Poles points removed, they cheated!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 And in order to win, you must be determined to do so, and not settle for an also ran. Which at the moment some of our riders do. Hmmmmmmm, it seems to me in speedway there is sooooooooooooo much more to being a winner than meets the eye, I'm damned sure the british boys have the determination but if the total package isn't perfect and luck on their side it just ain't gonna happen. It won't be through lack of determination that they lose imo (if they lose!!!), I doubt very much they are happy being also rans at times but it can't be any use beating yourself up over what could have been, you HAVE to look ahead ........... Look at Leigh Adams for instance, a wonderful rider, everything in place, but can he make it happen for himself in the GP's, bloody no, Tomasz Gollob, another great, same applies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Bee Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 I agree. It's either a tac sub as a joker OR a tac sub OR a joke. We should get 3 of the Poles points removed, they cheated!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's called a tactical joker, they didn't cheat, they played it perfectly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 to think I got to go to work in 45mins as well, god help them late night shoppers <{POST_SNAPBACK}> didn't think there would be much call for it at your age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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