home straight Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Maybe you should avoid PUBLIC forums if you don't want the public replying <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Its not the public I was complaining about, just you As Well as England, neither were in it Check the race jacket under your name <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Whats in name? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruckerroo Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 At the end of the day TEAM GB were 20-1 outsiders of 4,they finished better than many predicted.Well done to all concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 My personal feelings are it's about time Middlo left the job. We've gone nowhere for 6 years or so under him, but who takes charge? I don't have the answer to that question, but maybe we could do the same thing as Australia and Denmark have done and get a rider who is coming to the end of their career to do it.. someone who is proud to be British (not that i'm not saying Middlo's not), but someone like Havvy (I'm not saying it should be him) but he's patriotic, has won a world title, has been around the sport for many years and knows what it takes to win big meetings. It might also be down to the riders of course.. we don't seem to have 5 riders who are all of the same ability as say Scott. That's no disrespect to any of the others, the way they fought back last night was brilliant, but is it a lack of talent, poor machinery or something else? What will turn team GB into the next Denmark or Australia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 (edited) To answer a previous poster, It's not about Middlo being poor, or about naming a manager and 5 (GB) riders that would have won tonight. It's about the future and if most people on here are honest, things do get stale, and things need changing, for the sake of fresh ideas, for fresh techniques. I am not knocking a man who has done a great job with a mediocre team. I think he got the best out of them he could, but riders are getting to "used" to the way he manages, and how he picks the team based on his own criteria... Some people can stay in a job too long, and for the sake of the future, it's time it was changed... What i want to know, is why everyone think "we" are knocking him, when it's not about him, and it's not about the present, it's about the future and things are beginning to look stale. This is my opinion and i am entitled to have an opinion, my opinion's can be challenged and argued, but let's try not to use the same old "well you do better then", "you tell us who would have won then". i don't know enough about speedway and the riders to be able to do that, but i know enough about people and management to base this opinion on experience.... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> As I think you're referring to my post I'll debate with you. I don't agree that we need a new manager. Whoever is in charge won't get any more points out of the available talent than Middlo. I don't see why we need to change. What we need are more Brits coming through, and that's an inherent fault of the system, not Middlo. People talk about ex-riders managing, fine, but I tell you, a year down the line we will be having this exact same debate as we have done the previous couple of years. Putting someone else in charge won't make a blind bit of difference - if anything might make it worse - the riders have a great rapport with Neil and he treats them all according to their personalities rather than just 'riders' - some need a kick up the arse, others need coaxing and given confidence. But at the end of the day, if the guys on the track can't put in the performances we won't do Jack and we just do not have the concentration of riders at the top level or just outside it that the other top 3 nations do. I don't see any improvement for at least 3 or 4 years to be honest - the likes of Stead still aren't at the top match winning level and the next generation are still too young or inexpercienced atm. If anything I'd say Middlo should be congratulated for making a silk purse of out a sow's ear when we have finished on the rostrom several times in recent years when realistically we shouldn't have had a chance with the injuries we have had. Just my opinion... Edited July 23, 2006 by rabbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 If anything I'd say Middlo should be congratulated for making a silk purse of out a sow's ear when we have finished on the rostrom several times in recent years when realistically we shouldn't have had a chance with the injuries we have had. Just my opinion... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Rabbit I agree 110% with you, you have just found the words to sum it all up. (Congratulations to rabbit as well for being so diplomatic ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Well theres signs that we have some good riders starting to come through, Bridger, Auty, etc, what they need is nurturing without any added pressures and we might just be able to build a side worthy of challenging for these championships within a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 at the end of the day your team manager needs to have faith in his team and that he beilives they can produce the goods when required. clearly middlo doesnt beilives in the GB guys, his never picked one for his own teams! and before anyone says this is just me poole basing again ( ) i;m sorry but he does not give the right signals for a team GB manager, team poland maybe... when the chips are down he clearly doesnt want a team GB rider in his team. after 6 years even sven got embarresed and left, its about time something changed too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
home straight Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Do you REALLY need it explaining again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 so explain what? i havent bothered reading bthe other twddle just my own! it is time for a change end of story. his had his chance his failed, give someone else a chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
home straight Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 You were banging on about how Middlo won't pick a GB rider to ride in his team. Middlo doesn't pick the Poole team. He is the team manager. Matt Ford/Mike Golding are the promoters, they own the club they pick the riders. It realy isn't that difficult a concept to get your head around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Spot on Home Straight. That's exactly how it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 so you think he has that little power at poole? if that was the case any team manager as GOOD as him would have walked long ago. To say he has no choice is rubbish sorry but its true. i think he did as well as can be expected BUT he should choose youth over age, and by youth i dont mean bloody Kennet all the time! his had 6 years, so you think his been a success then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
home straight Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 so you think he has that little power at poole? 1) if that was the case any team manager as GOOD as him would have walked long ago. To say he has no choice is rubbish sorry but its true. 2) i think he did as well as can be expected BUT he should choose youth over age, and by youth i dont mean bloody Kennet all the time! 3) his had 6 years, so you think his been a success then? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 1) I think he's paid a wage by M&M to do a job. I can't be bothered to argue about that anymore. 2) Yeah Eddie Kennet rode really badly during the world cup, I don't know why he was in the team 3) He's done as well as anyone would have with the resources available to him. You can't polish a turd so to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 rabbit, if that is really the situation.... then i dont understand how he could stay in job where all the decisions are made for him? honestly it sounds an intollerable position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Why? It's a relationship that works. M&M pick the team, do the negotiations and get them all signed up in the close season. Middlo manages the team that's picked - all the management/team decisions on race night are down to him. Obviously M&M know the sort of riders that would fit in at Poole and no doubt there are conversations had during the course of a season about who's hot and who's not in terms of potential signings. Each club has their own way of doing it, and I think if Middlo wasn't happy he'd not have stuck around for the last 7 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 I would just like to cut in for a minute here and congratulate Middlo on a job well done this season and previous seasons................The man has had limited resources which often have suffered from injuries or have been coming back from them......there has been a dearth of talent breaking through the ranks and riders have had to be thrown in at the deep end at a premature stage.................critics only have to tot up current EL averages for the nations to see how the odds were stacked ............and yet we still make finals at the expense of at least one major nation and rapport and team spirit more often than not continues to keep us in with a shout .......and this undoubtably is highly influenced by the manager................ keep up the good work Mr Middlo and I for one want to see you in the job for years to come P.s I have had the pleasure of gaining a couple of mini interviews from Neil this week and can honestly say that he has been the most amiable down to earth and approachable in the pits, and backs his riders to the hilt....................unfortunately all managers are not the same but lets not dwell on the negative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 rabbit, if that is really the situation.... then i dont understand how he could stay in job where all the decisions are made for him? honestly it sounds an intollerable position <{POST_SNAPBACK}> With all due respect you've been a member since January 03 and made 2100+ posts and that's the first time you've heard what the situation is at Poole ...... I really don't believe that. We go through this every year 1. When the teams at the start of the season are announced and 2. When Middlo accepted the TEAM GB managers job. I'll start this one ............ I'm hoping that Middlo will stay on and be Manager again, we could do a lot worse than having him as Manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masked_rooster Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 neil has had four or five attempts now at the world cup and failed at every attempt.out of all those attempts we have only made the final direct once.not sure what his test match stats are but they probably are not great either. move over with grace neil and lets bring in havvy to take over the reigns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 neil has had four or five attempts now at the world cup and failed at every attempt.out of all those attempts we have only made the final direct once.not sure what his test match stats are but they probably are not great either. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Now go and look at the injuries TEAM GB have carried and what team Middlo has selected, making the rostrum on nearly all occasions in charge and all things considered with injuries he hasn't really done a bad job. He can't be that bad if they keep offering him the job can he Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 (edited) Says it all that middlos supporters on here also seem to be personal friends of his, at the end of the day your judged on results and after 6 years of failure its not unreasonable to want a change of ideas. Edited July 24, 2006 by bellevueace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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