Ron Butler Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 As Mr Eriksson desperately phones the Premier League clubs to find himself a job, there is a song being written to be sung on the terraces next month. It's really an updated version of an old song. The new one is entitled 'Sven! Will we see you again?' It's important that the question mark is sung and the word 'again' is sung wih great fervour and emphasis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Is Middleditch another Sven? The answer is YES, the similarities are startling.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yep you're right Sven got Runners-up in the World Cup didn't he ............. NOT! Each year Middlo has been TM we have the same thing just before the WTC, everyone doubting and slating him, why? Everyone knows that we don't stand a cat in hells chance but win or lose we cheer them on til the end, some then come on here and say see told you so, it's all down to Middlo for making the wrong team selection or why didn't he put so and so in such a such race instead of whatshisname. We could have the most successful TM in the World and you still would slate him when they lost. When he finally hangs up his baseball cap and coat and his successor takes over all I can say is ......God Help Him if he doesn't make the grade you lot will lynch him Middleditch has included in his squad Edward Kennett but ignored Dean Barker. Why, World Cups are not training events, the squads should consist of the country's most experienced performers. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If we were Team Manager we'd all put our favourites in the team, Mark Loram, Dean Barker, David Norris, Joe Screen, Chris Louis, Scott Nicholls, Edward Kennett and even Lewis Bridger who incidently is flying!!!! not ness. a winning combination just a personal choice, unfortunately we are not, therefore it's not our decision to make. If TEAM GB do nothing this season, this could possibly be his last season as TEAM GB Manager, so in all honesty Middlo has nothing to lose by taking Edward Kennett, this could also be the push Edward needs to get him to return to Elite League Racing if he doesn't make the move soon I along with a few others suspect he could miss the boat (so to speak). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jools Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 (edited) I believe the national manager should be independent of a club. There is always going to be a conflict of interest between the day job & the 2nd one. Irrespective of WHO is the manager, he will always have favourites & those who will never ride because of politics. This will please some & irritate others. C'est la vie. It aint a perfect world. As far as Middlo is concerned, I find it incompatible with his GB role to also be the manager of a team with no British riders, no youth policy etc. Now I know you will say that this is down to the club promoters etc., but he could (& more properly should) make a policy of developing the Brits. It is unfair on other clubs to expect them to do the hard work for him. I haven't agreed with his recent decisions re Richardson, Kennett & the SGP qualifiers. I also wonder whether it might have been wise to have Andy Smith on hand for the SWC - after all, he does ride for Reading this year & has lots of experience. He would be invaluable in the pits, but Middlo said in the Star he has removed himself from Foxy's Xmas card list. Great move boss! Edited July 11, 2006 by Jools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 As far as Middlo is concerned, I find it incompatible with his GB role to also be the manager of a team with no British riders, no youth policy etc. Now I know you will say that this is down to the club promoters etc., but he could (& more properly should) make a policy of developing the Brits. It is unfair on other clubs to expect them to do the hard work for him. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How can he develop British youngsters other than having a training track in his back garden? He is the Manager not the Promoter therefore really has no say in who is in his club team, he is a workman given the tools to work with (so to speak Yes he could go to tracks around the country, unlike a few of the riders he has a family business to run therefore 24/7 speedway is I would imagine out of the question. How would you like to see Middlo or any other TEAM GB Manager develop young Brits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Blanchard Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Seven what? riders, races, female friends at the FA? Leave the bloke alone for Christ sakes. Sven was a Swede who did not know how to keep his change in his pockets. This is the SWC is Its really down to the riders to lose it rather than Middlo to win it. Win or lose he will be behind our boys 100%. Can we that are proud of our nation now swop over our avatars to the Cross of St, George in support of Middlo and the lads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 I believe the national manager should be independent of a club. There is always going to be a conflict of interest between the day job & the 2nd one. Irrespective of WHO is the manager, he will always have favourites & those who will never ride because of politics. This will please some & irritate others. C'est la vie. It aint a perfect world. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Most sensible post yet on this thread. That's absolutely right - we need an independent player who is influential among and can bring weight to bear on the promoters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Blanchard Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Most sensible post yet on this thread. That's absolutely right - we need an independent player who is influential among and can bring weight to bear on the promoters. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Cobblers. An independent player? That is never going to happen as well you know it Andy. We are not talking million pounds contracts here are we? We need an Englishman that knows about speedway but also with some fire in his belly and lot of national pride and the belief in the lads out there doing the job for him. I reckon that is Middlo from what I have seen. Go---On. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC! Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Cobblers. An independent player? That is never going to happen as well you know it Andy. We are not talking million pounds contracts here are we? We need an Englishman that knows about speedway but also with some fire in his belly and lot of national pride and the belief in the lads out there doing the job for him. I reckon that is Middlo from what I have seen. Go---On. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why not? Eric Boocock? Peter Collins? Tony Millard? Gary Havelock? I'm sure thre must be others who would not prove too expensive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Cobblers. An independent player? That is never going to happen as well you know it Andy. We are not talking million pounds contracts here are we? We need an Englishman that knows about speedway but also with some fire in his belly and lot of national pride and the belief in the lads out there doing the job for him. I reckon that is Middlo from what I have seen. Go---On. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Idealistic maybe, but less so than the many suggestions on these pages for an independent body to run UK league speedway. Why not somebody with seniority and worthy of respect but no links to current clubs? Why not a PC or Dave Jessup or similar? Why not a Mauger (if anyone could persuade him)? You talk about fire in the belly, but frankly the occasions when I've seen that have been few and far between, and Middlo most certainly hasn't done the off-track part of the job to promote the development of British riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupus Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 (edited) I'm with AndyM, Jools and JC! on this one.....as I said in my previous post...... I agree with SCB - what is Tim sugar doing these days? One of the best ever team managers, he'd do a damn good job IMO and with no conflicting interests (eg a league club to manage too!) he (or someone like him) could tavel round watching the potential riders as well as helping to develop youngsters for the future. I do not believe it's in British speedway's best interests or the team manager to do the job on the 'side'. We need a full time manager if we're to improve! So with what Shazzybird said about the family business, that means being England Team Manager comes at least THIRD in Middlo's list of professional responsibilities! Not good enough I'm afraid! Edited July 11, 2006 by lupus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 So we basically need a single millionaire with no business or other commitments who can devote himself completely to running the national team. Applications on a postacrd to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Blanchard Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 (edited) I'm with AndyM, Jools and JC! on this one.....as I said in my previous post......So with what Shazzybird said about the family business, that means being England Team Manager comes at least THIRD in Middlo's list of professional responsibilities! Not good enough I'm afraid! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Is that any difference to our riders having commitments in Poland and Sweden then Lupus? The reality is there is not enough money in English Speedway on its own it seems to me to support a professional in any capacity. That does not mean though in my opinion it dilutes the national pride or the desire to achieve for their home nation as and when required. Edited July 11, 2006 by Jim Blanchard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 So we basically need a single millionaire with no business or other commitments who can devote himself completely to running the national team. Applications on a postacrd to... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's not a full-time job at the moment, though if it's done right it could attract a sponsorship package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Jim, your problem is that you're so brainwashed by this feeble setup that you've got vision of how things could be improved. And if there is ambition shared by a like-minded consensus, anything is possible. Sadly, the BSPA share the same disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Blanchard Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Jim, your problem is that you're so brainwashed by this feeble setup that you've got vision of how things could be improved. And if there is ambition shared by a like-minded consensus, anything is possible. Sadly, the BSPA share the same disease. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Andy, firstly I do not have a problem with accepting the realities of life. Sadly, the concensus is always feeble in that most will step backwards rather than forwards and that includes you - when I suggested you should become more involved in the past. Excuses prevailed. I have no such disease and I object to you suggesting that I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 (edited) On the contrary, Jim - I'm one of few that offered professional services free of charge to speedway. I was rebuffed too, which says more about speedway than about me. What did you do? Edited July 11, 2006 by AndyM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 now swop over our avatars to the Cross of St, George<{POST_SNAPBACK}> better make it the Union Jack, otherwise you'll have the Scots and the Welsh down your throat for Team GB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Yeah, listen to Steve Hone In fairness, I have no problem with the Flag of St George being flown, the rider are after all all English at present. Just don't like them being called England! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim Blanchard Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 (edited) On the contrary, Jim - I'm one of few that offered professional services free of charge to speedway. I was rebuffed too, which says more about speedway than about me. What did you do? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Andy, I have made some modest contributions to the modern day sport of speedway. Being rebuffed is not something I have experienced to be honest. Edited July 12, 2006 by Jim Blanchard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted July 12, 2006 Report Share Posted July 12, 2006 Yeah, listen to Steve Hone In fairness, I have no problem with the Flag of St George being flown, the rider are after all all English at present. Just don't like them being called England! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Was just about to say the same SCB, except I like the name England (like it used to be in the good ol' days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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