Ron Butler Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 so who do you want as manager then VV? Ronnie Russel <{POST_SNAPBACK}> A close thing but I think John Perrin has a slight edge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Any criticism of the national speedway manager could surely be made without comparison being made to the erstwhile national football manager. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why? It's all subjective. Sven got us to the quarter finals and lost on penalties. Whether people think he should have done better is an entirely reasonable debate - and the same goes for Middlo's performance. Why should we not have the right to make comparisons of this nature if it's done without abuse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 A close thing but I think John Perrin has a slight edge <{POST_SNAPBACK}> After all - you've made a detrimental comparison yourself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 It's funny - the last couple of years Middlo has been slammed for not picking the youngsters. This thread just looks like another VV attempt to put RR's name forward as national team manager. One thing you could guarentee with RR in charge, the oldies would get the team places and not the youngsters. It's a Ronnie Russell policy I swear! Whats Tim Sugar up to these days (a part from writing to the Speedway Star)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirate paul Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Its strange that the ones who really matter, the riders, can't speak highly enough of the man, yet a few armchair fans who have been no closer to a speedway bike than I have to Sophie Blakes bedroom all seem to know better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Its strange that the ones who really matter, the riders, can't speak highly enough of the man, yet a few armchair fans who have been no closer to a speedway bike than I have to Sophie Blakes bedroom all seem to know better <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What makes riding a bike got to do with being a speedway manager ? Rosco can ride a bike but can't do any man mangerment at all . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Its strange that the ones who really matter, the riders, can't speak highly enough of the man, yet a few armchair fans who have been no closer to a speedway bike than I have to Sophie Blakes bedroom all seem to know better <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah because the riders are goign to slag off the manager knowing that they have ruined there chance of riding for team GB and Poole! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 It's got to be Carol Smillie at Ipswich. What a team manager! The ultimate motivator and tactical genius. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, I guess that would mean call-ups for Chris Louis and Daniel King. So the good - and not so good - people of Suffolk would be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirate paul Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 What makes riding a bike got to do with being a speedway manager ? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It means he knows far better what hes talking about than the people who sit behind their pc screens putting the speedway world to rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirate paul Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Yeah because the riders are goign to slag off the manager knowing that they have ruined there chance of riding for team GB and Poole! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> True SCB but there is a marked difference between diplomacy and sincerity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 persona that cannot be trusted...erm what do you mean? Don't bite halo - Middlo is a smashing bloke as I found out in Wroclaw last year. The great rosco must be the next in line for the job Don't you mean jobbies, orion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 The great rosco must be the next in line for the job <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Rosco can ride a bike but can't do any man mangerment at all . <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yet you want him as the next Team Manager for Team GB Make your mind up Orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Dont kid yerselves people we have 2 chances of winning the SWC slim and none and slim just left town!!! Middlo is another SGE. Good at club level but cannot produce the goods at International level. This will be his 6th crack at the SWC and we wont beat the Danes, Poles or Swedes no chance. He doesnt pick riders in form look at Chris Louis he has beaten Crump at Belle Vue Andersen at Peterborough and Nikki Ped at Arlington in the last few weeks 3 world class riders. He has got a lot of experience of Polish tracks due to his GP appearances and regular Polish league racing in the 90s. Sorry people but with Middlo in charge we aint got a hope in hell of winning the SWC it will turn out just like the football world cup full of false hope. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Australia have CRUMP - ADAMS Sweden have KARLSSON - JONSSON Poland have GOLLOB Denmark have PEDERSEN - PEDERSEN - ANDERSEN Middlo only really has Scott Nicholls that can compare to these and thats possibly only just. Sven Goran Eriksson had 6 years to get the team working right and play a certain style. In Germany we played 3-5-2 = 3-6-1 = 4-4-2 = 4-5-1 = 5-5-0 = 5-4-1 and even had to try 4-4-1 After 6 years in the job, he still picked a raw junior to take with him that he had never seen play and hasnt played in top class football. Would Middlo think about taking Josh Auty to the first round . . no Sven had players like GERRARD - BECKHAM - ROONEY - LAMPARD - TERRY - OWEN which is like Middlo have 6 players with 9 point plus averages . . but he doesnt Midlo is doing a fine job and the team he has picked cant really be faulted as there is no others really up for it and any other one that is close like Louis, Screen etc have had their day and the best team is the one going out there. They wont win or reach the final, but if Sven only had JENAS - DYER - CAMPBELL etc to pick from, he wouldnt even get England to win a home international. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Butler Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 It means he knows far better what hes talking about than the people who sit behind their pc screens putting the speedway world to rights. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Fair comment, Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupus Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Peter Adams has been one of the most - if not THE most - successful team managers in the last 30 years - and he's NEVER ridden a bike in his life! Being a successful manager does not mean you have to have ridden a bike! IMHO you use your captain to discuss on track things and the team managers job is to pick the squad, motivate and make tactical decisions. You do NOT need to have ridden to do these things! Therefore, why can't an 'armchair' fan be a good TM? I agree with SCB - what is Tim sugar doing these days? One of the best ever team managers, he'd do a damn good job IMO and with no conflicting interests (eg a league club to manage too!) he (or someone like him) could tavel round watching the potential riders as well as helping to develop youngsters for the future. I do not believe it's in British speedway's best interests or the team manager to do the job on the 'side'. We need a full time manager if we're to improve! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 I agree Lupus. In my opinion Adams is far and away the best TM, certainly in the EL at any rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mau Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Is Middleditch another Sven? The answer is YES, the similarities are startling. Sven cost us progress in the world cup by not taking to Germany the country's in form leading goalscorer, Darren Bent. A striker that learnt his craft at Ipswich. Middleditch has ignored the in form Louis. Also from Ipswich. Sven also inexpicably included in his squad a player that had he had never before seen play, Middleditch has included in his squad Edward Kennett but ignored Dean Barker. Why, World Cups are not training events, the squads should consist of the country's most experienced performers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupus Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 I agree Lupus. In my opinion Adams is far and away the best TM, certainly in the EL at any rate. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah I brought that one on myself! the point I was making was that to be a successful team manager you DON'T have to be an ex-rider.......you do however have to remember to engage your miniscule brain before each meeting!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Is Middleditch another Sven? The answer is YES, the similarities are startling.Sven cost us progress in the world cup by not taking to Germany the country's in form leading goalscorer, Darren Bent. A striker that learnt his craft at Ipswich. Middleditch has ignored the in form Louis. Also from Ipswich. Sven also inexpicably included in his squad a player that had he had never before seen play, Middleditch has included in his squad Edward Kennett but ignored Dean Barker. Why, World Cups are not training events, the squads should consist of the country's most experienced performers. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Dean Barker.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DartfordHammer Posted July 11, 2006 Report Share Posted July 11, 2006 Dean Barker.... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Dean Barker has been going pretty well this season, better than Howe for sure, and has a lot of experience. I don't see the problem with taking him. I probably wouldn't use him for the 1-5 but his experience would be useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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