martin palmer Posted July 9, 2003 Report Share Posted July 9, 2003 Bottom line is, all 3 Leagues need each other, and cannot survive on their own. For the Good of the Sport in general, something needs to be done, and if the EL can be made attractive enough for a few other Clubs to give it a try, and the PL attractive enough for a couple of Conference only Clubs to give it a try, then that has to be good for the Sport in Britain. Trouble is with Squad systems, as mentioned above, is that unless Teams are drastically reduced in strength across the board, there are not enough riders to go around, hence doubling up/down. Anyway, some thoughts for you. EL... * Aim for 12 Clubs. * Max Points limit 40/42. * Max Heatleader combined average of 23/24 points ( this will ensure some rider movement). * 2 British reserves, and alter race format to help them ( as JP suggested). * NO GP rider restrictions, but Clubs to ride on GP weekends. * Clubs to sign PL riders as cover for GP riders ( double up). * IF uneven balance of GP riders missing, then RR applies. * Squad systems ok, providing they are PL/CL riders, or overseas riders who are not contracted to another Team, and fit into averages. ie: Oxford using Lubos Tomiceck for League cup matches. :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest andyo Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 this is all too complicated and what needs to be done is get back to basics as was done in the 65 season and the amagamation of the national and provincial leagues. a situation more analogous to the premier and elite set-up today. heat ledaers would have to be spead around, and guest's for all but the main 3 riders banned and then only allowed for injury or illness. no guests for second strings or reserrves and no guest for gp riders on gp weekneds or on inetrnationsl durtt back in the usa. this would force and encourage promotrer to use more british juniors and sign riders who they know will not have the gp as their main consideration. hamill this season is a case in point. it will come to the stage where it will be the gp or the league that riders have to choose between and the league must look after itself and provide a continuinty of teams without all this mess that was epitomised by the poole coventry guests last night. beckham doesnt play for aresenal on his day off to replace an injured bergkamp and this should never happen in speedway. i know this is an old argument but the use of guest and r/r has beocme farcical. forgive bad typoing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin palmer Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Andyo, trouble with 1 Big league is that some Clubs could not even afford 1 EL rider, let alone a couple to be competative. I think it would be an unworkable combination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest andyo Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 thats the way it was back in the 60's but they had no choice then and they don't have any choice now. maybe 2 divisions as there are more tracks now, but only poole and coventry can afford gp riders in bulk as it is and next season they will be playing together and alone if things don't change drastiaclly. clube will have to ride with riders they can afford and if that means no gp stars then so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 If the 2 top leagues were to amalgamate, and a limit of 2 GP riders imposed on each team, it would make it far easier to have promotion/relegation, without teams who go up or down having to change their squads wholesale. That in turn makes speedway a much more viable product to the likes of Sky. It would imho be better to improve the standard of the current PL, rather than just drag down the standard of the EL. If both divisions could have access to the Sky tv money, it may allow an equivalency of pay scales across the two main divisions. If the lesser teams could then afford a Peter Karlsson or Lukas Dryml the standard goes up. Riders are less concerned about dropping a division, more stability ensues. Just some thoughts... I imagine one or two EL promoters won't want to contemplate such large changes though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest andyo Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 they won't have much choice. and if you look at some elite teams now, they are permanently staffed by part time pl riders anyway. like poole with a pl team plus 3 top gp riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mylor Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 they won't have much choice.and if you look at some elite teams now, they are permanently staffed by part time pl riders anyway. like poole with a pl team plus 3 top gp riders. I entirely agree andyo. With top riders riding too many meetings and picking up more injuries, it seems the promoters are taking the easy option of using the PL as an unlimited source of very short term contract labour. Who can blame them? They don't have to negotiate terms & conditions nor even worry about whether they too get injured.........there's plenty more to choose from !! Of course this leaves the top PL guys also riding too many meetings, increasing the risk of injury. Perhaps more so as they're constantly trying to prove themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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