Guest andyo Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 so this is the view expressed by CVS in an article in todays Times. very rare to see any speedway in that paper but what do poeple feel about this. are we in the same situation as in 1964 when the national league was down to 8 and had to amalgamate with the provincial league to survive. this led to a weakening of teams as heat leaders ahd to be given to the wekers side. so make the most of this year pirates fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 Judging by the comments of some of the struggling EL team promotors YES it is too strong. Didn't I read in the Star that one promotor thinks that both the EL and PL need to be weakened. He said that teams in the PL struggle also to be competative, I take it the ones down the bottom of the league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackofdiamonds Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 It was CVS in the Star as well, I assume the same interview as in The Times. For once he seems to be making sense, have 12 teams in the Elite, and the stand alone Conference teams in the PL. Costs to be brought down ( GP Riders as squad members perhaps ). He states planning has begun lets hope so. As I've said before I would love the people who care (us) to have an input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racer X Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 Judging by the comments of some of the struggling EL team promotors YES it is too strong. Didn't I read in the Star that one promotor thinks that both the EL and PL need to be weakened. He said that teams in the PL struggle also to be competative, I take it the ones down the bottom of the league? I read that too - There's supposed to be a massive gulf between clubs - where? PL Bottom versus top: Reading 44 IoW46 Not a massive gulf in my book... Similar fixture in the EL: Ipswich 33 P'boro 57 I think I can tell which league has got the problems and I suggest that CVS would see better if he opened his eyes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
born_2b_mad Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 and the stand alone Conference teams in the PL. So he would like teams like us to move into the Premier? Where exactly does he think we are going to find the spare cash to finance a move up? We have to pay the largest stadium rent in the country and we are only just cutting even now, so how he expects us to shell out hundreds of pounds per week extra in paying wages, I just don't know. Before we closed down in 1991 the club were losing £2,500 per meeting, I'd dread to think what it would be now if we moved up. To move up could mean financial suicide to Wimbledon, I would rather stay in the Conference League if it meant watching my beloved Dons. Unless of course he would like to share out the SkyTV money to ALL 31 clubs. What is it, £1,000,000 per year deal over 5 years, works out at just over £32,000 per team per year. Blimey that wouldn't even come near to covering our rent for a season!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 Reading 44 IoW46 I spose he meant looking at the league table ........... Sheffield 21 points from 15 matches and Newcastle 4 points from 10 matches?? Thas going by the BSPA website Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racer X Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 Reading 44 IoW46 I spose he meant looking at the league table ........... Sheffield 21 points from 15 matches and Newcastle 4 points from 10 matches?? Thas going by the BSPA website Trees - well that would be a daft way (IMHO) of looking at it because there's always going to winners and losers in any league (and especialy one as big as the PL) The key is how close the top and bottom sides are when it comes to meting each other surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 There's no doubt the game needs an overhaul and planning already is a sensible decision (so in reality it's not actually happening obviously ) but the bit of that article I didn't quite understand was the refference to the disparity of teams in the PL. The Falcons came to us and got hammered (excuse pun) but they were clearly having an off night and when we went down there we were beaten. Even looking at Newcastle's current position it doesn't compare to the state of Belle Vue this year comparitively. I do think the PL is a highly competative and close league, it's also a pretty sound product. BSPA could do a lot worse than basing two leagues along PL lines with perhaps less concern for GP riders. The only problem with that is that Sky ain't going to buy it, it's all about the GP for them I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
full-throttle Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 I do think the PL is a highly competative and close league, it's also a pretty sound product. BSPA could do a lot worse than basing two leagues along PL lines with perhaps less concern for GP riders. The only problem with that is that Sky ain't going to buy it, it's all about the GP for them I'm afraid. Let them have it. As much as I enjoy Cardiff, I would settle for more regular speedway and some new opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 Someone got to say it egg and chips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgm Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 I do not believe that the PL have a problem with their set up (tell me if I'm wrong),so if it aint broke why fix it? CVS it would appear is trying to look after No1 AGAIN-1GP rider for 2004 and maybe stealing some quality reserves for the season i.e Neath,Stead,Allen and Greives no wonder he wants teams to weaken-failing this he'll just change the play off dates But don't think I'm cynical ,he has the whole at speedway at heart not just Wolves (my a***) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 So we weaken the teams, and rule out more world class riders. Yeah, good move :? :evil: If Britain is going to remain the place to be in world speedway you can't rule out the big boys before a wheel has turned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyinRyan Posted June 28, 2003 Report Share Posted June 28, 2003 British Speedway needs a complete overhaul and a way forward presented. This should be undertaken by someone who has no bias to any club. I would suggest Tony Steele lead a team of people to do this, not CVS or any of the other muppets who are in Speedway for themselves or their clubs only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted June 28, 2003 Report Share Posted June 28, 2003 Unless of course he would like to share out the SkyTV money to ALL 31 clubs. What is it, £1,000,000 per year deal over 5 years, works out at just over £32,000 per team per year. Blimey that wouldn't even come near to covering our rent for a season!! And worse than that, you have to reduce the £1,000,000 by 20% because of commission paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 So we weaken the teams, and rule out more world class riders. Yeah, good move :? :evil: If Britain is going to remain the place to be in world speedway you can't rule out the big boys before a wheel has turned. Weaken the teams? How so? The way I see it the GP superstars are only really up for team outings every other week, often looking like they've their eye on the next upcoming GP. Team riding's a thing of the past with frequent 'groin strains' and no shows in heat 15. I'm not trying to be disrespectful but the EL's in trouble the way things are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted July 1, 2003 Report Share Posted July 1, 2003 In my opinion the only way forward is 3 leagues as at present,the top 2 leagues equal team numbers.Conference as many teams as possible,preferably with most of the top 2 leagues having teams even if only for challenges.Top 2 leagues to have a squad system with min+max points limit,no doubling up or down except for conference riders to league above.No guests use R/R or 1 or more of your squad to suit requirements.Promotion and relegation as it is the only way to make the papers and TV take the sport seriously.Finally an independent person to oversee the political side of the sport such as Adam Crozier when in charge of the fa. PS. a personal wish would be that British gp held as last one of the season so we can see the Champion crowned+some type of pairs/4 team tournament to be held at Cardiff on the sunday with no gp riders.As it seems to me if your'e going to spend x amount of £s laying a track why not get 2 meetings out of it,i'm sure many fans would stay over as lot's already do for another meeting involving their "local heroes" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sullizbabe Posted July 2, 2003 Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 Team riding's a thing of the past How true is that? I think that is CVS idea of 12 teams in the EL then sky would benifit, more fans on the race night maybe? or even more viewers? Even I'm sick of watching Poole Cov and Ipswich week in week out. Or maybe if sky focused on the PL it would get more intrest. Whilst on the subject of sky a positive note that a work collegue actually sat and watched four races of the Panthers V Oxford match and commented the next "That Pole who've got is really good" In reference to Pebe. A speedway Vigin last week, wanting to watch a live match the next. So sky does have it's good points. 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest crumpy fan Posted July 4, 2003 Report Share Posted July 4, 2003 yes both el and pl are 2 strong for there own good but there still gonna stay as 2 different leagues. as the pl won't let some of are teams in aka wolves eastbourne as they have screwed the premier league over before. so we will still have the 2 leagues we just gotta hope more pl teams come up to the el and no more el teams will drop down but what happens in speedway happens for it's best intrest crumpy fan pb to win the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian H Posted July 7, 2003 Report Share Posted July 7, 2003 British Speedway needs a complete overhaul and a way forward presented. This should be undertaken by someone who has no bias to any club. I would suggest Tony Steele lead a team of people to do this, not CVS or any of the other muppets who are in Speedway for themselves or their clubs only. If his decision making and forward planning are anything like his refereeing then I am afraid we are doomed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupus Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 as the pl won't let some of are teams in aka wolves eastbourne as they have screwed the premier league over before. Whoa there mate...can you explain this one to me?! :? Firstly, can we not talk about 'Wolves' and 'Eastbourne' - the promoters are the ones who make decisions NOT the Clubs!!! Secondly, If you are talking about the last time the leagues amalgamated (1995/96) then you are WRONG that Wolves 'screwed the pl over' - CVS was one of the 'top' league promoters who was willing to go with the idea of onew 8.5 plus guy per team and a limit of 40 (or was it 38?) points for each team. this proposal was veto'd by Cloin Pratt (Cradley) and Alan Ham (Bradford who didn't want to 'choose' between their top two... :x :roll: If you're NOT referring to this, then can you explain what you mean by 'screwed over the pl'?! :?: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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