Chris Brown Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Lets hope that Kennett manages to get out of Britain for this meeting then. Andy Smith would have I am sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 Lanham and Smith didn't qualify. They finished 5th and 6th so went out. Understand? Where did it ever say that 5th and 6th would get the qualifier spots? Screen and Nicholls didn't want it and it was left to Middlo to make a choice. He's averaging higher in the PL than all these riders and is now scoring points at no.2 in the EL. 3 times world under 21 finalist as well. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I’ve seen many inaccurate and ill-informed posts on this forum, but this one is beyond belief. If you have just started watching speedway this year then I apologise for calling you a fool. For almost eighty years when qualifiers have been run in a speedway meeting (longer if you look at other sports), the first competitor who finishes outside the qualifiers is known as the first reserve, the second as second reserve and so on and so forth. If a competitor above them is injured or unable to take there place in the next round then these reserves take their place. It’s yet another very simple rule that speedway has somehow managed to cock up, and it gets added to all the others that collectively turn people away from speedway. Second bit…. James EL average 4.46 Eddie EL average 4.43 James PL average 8.86 Eddie PL average 8.10 In the most recent U21 final the top Brit was James Wright. I just pick James because I know more about him. I’m sure many other fans from many other teams could come up with a better choice than Kennett. I DON’T think James should be seeded by the way as he didn’t qualify, but then neither did Eddie. It’s not what you know etc…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 (edited) I’ve seen many inaccurate and ill-informed posts on this forum, but this one is beyond belief. If you have just started watching speedway this year then I apologise for calling you a fool.For almost eighty years when qualifiers have been run in a speedway meeting (longer if you look at other sports), the first competitor who finishes outside the qualifiers is known as the first reserve, the second as second reserve and so on and so forth. If a competitor above them is injured or unable to take there place in the next round then these reserves take their place. It’s yet another very simple rule that speedway has somehow managed to cock up, and it gets added to all the others that collectively turn people away from speedway. Second bit…. James EL average 4.46 Eddie EL average 4.43 James PL average 8.86 Eddie PL average 8.10 In the most recent U21 final the top Brit was James Wright. I just pick James because I know more about him. I’m sure many other fans from many other teams could come up with a better choice than Kennett. I DON’T think James should be seeded by the way as he didn’t qualify, but then neither did Eddie. It’s not what you know etc…. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not in this case though old boy. Top four qualify and two don't fancy it. The BSPA decided that Middlo makes the choice. It was never stated that 5 & 6 who didn't actually qualify would get the spots. Take it up with the BSPA. You shouldn't assume in speedway old boy. You have been around long enough to know that. The times are a changing. Lee Richardson finished below Hans Andersen in the GP rankings last season and Rico was chosen over him. Other examples as well including James Wright last season when he got an under 21 wild card. Why didn't the rider below the cut off mark not get it? Bit stumped old man? Many other examples as well. Get over it, it happens. Sending Smith is a waste of his and our time and your golden boy was given a helping hand last season. Two words for you, hipo and crit. Get up on your stat work as well. We in the PL take PT and PL averages into the equation and Ed is on 8.89 and Wright on 8.82. Anymore? Think you can take that particular Under-21 world final with a pinch of salt. Track was flooded and only 3 rides each and winner decided by toss of a coin. Proper championship eh? Give him a chance in the EL as he has only had a few meetings back at no.2. Can't judge him to early. Oh and he had an EL average alot higher than Wright has ever achieved last season. Oh and you look the fool now by the way. Who would you have chosen old bean? Edited July 3, 2006 by Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazaar3 Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 I agree that Smith has been hard done by and is unlucky, but honestly we need to look to the future of British Speedway. Smudger isnt going to have a chance of finishing in the top ten of the GP in five years time and he certainly isnt a class enough act like Per Olav Serenius is on ice. Middlo has done the right thing in sending out a young english rider and even if he goes out in the next round at least thats more experience against classier opposition for him and he can learn to sharpen his elbows. As for Lanham, I would have liked to have seen him given a go at this level just too see where he really stands on the world scene, but as has been said he is mainly a one track pony, but I think if he were to change clubs, score well and repeat his success in the final next year, he really should warrant a chance to qualify for the GP. Not sure if Kennett is the right rider, but he was in the British Final and he's young which is the main thing and I would hope we could get rid of these ridiculous seedings in the British Final because really only 4-5 should be seeded and I think they should be Nicholls, Loram, Stead, Harris and possibly Screen with the rest like Richardson, Kennett etc being seeded into semis, with perhaps less experience riders starting it all off in quarter finals, so at least were giving all British riders young and old a half chance to get into the Britsh Final with a possible chance to the road to the GP circus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 Not in this case though old boy. Top four qualify and two don't fancy it. The BSPA decided that Middlo makes the choice. It was never stated that 5 & 6 who didn't actually qualify would get the spots. Take it up with the BSPA. You shouldn't assume in speedway old boy. You have been around long enough to know that. The times are a changing. Lee Richardson finished below Hans Andersen in the GP rankings last season and Rico was chosen over him. Other examples as well including James Wright last season when he got an under 21 wild card. Why didn't the rider below the cut off mark not get it? Bit stumped old man? Many other examples as well. Get over it, it happens. Sending Smith is a waste of his and our time and your golden boy was given a helping hand last season. Two words for you, hipo and crit. Get up on your stat work as well. We in the PL take PT and PL averages into the equation and Ed is on 8.89 and Wright on 8.82. Anymore? Think you can take that particular Under-21 world final with a pinch of salt. Track was flooded and only 3 rides each and winner decided by toss of a coin. Proper championship eh? Give him a chance in the EL as he has only had a few meetings back at no.2. Can't judge him to early. Oh and he had an EL average alot higher than Wright has ever achieved last season. Oh and you look the fool now by the way. Who would you have chosen old bean? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Your first two paragraphs restate the points I made, but unbelievably you seem to think this kind of behaviour by the powers that be is ok. Middlo given the choice. That’s bad surely. You shouldn’t assume in speedway. That’s bad surely. Lee Richardson over Hans Andersen. That’s bad surely. Seeding Wrighy last year over a true qualifier. That’s bad surely. Yet you use these in defence of your augment. We are poles apart in what we think is right and wrong. Lets stick to PL matches only. Wrighty is higher. Oh and his current EL average is now 4.76 You cannot pick and choose which world final you want. It’s completely logical to use the most recent and I’ll stick with it. If I look a fool because I feel that the points above are bad for the sport then so be it, trouble is people like me don’t feel foolish, they just walk away from the sport never to return. BTW I wouldn’t have chosen anyone, I’d have let them ride for their place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 Doesn't say a lot if a much hyped rising star predicted to be a future player on the world stage can't beat a 40 year old wobbler and has to rely on charity does it ?Go get em Lunchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Papers today report that Andy Smith has now been given a place due to Lee Richardson's withdrawal. Go get em Andy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middlo Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Just to clear up a few things up Leigh Lanham and a few others were asked to go to the qualifiers and elected not to do them which is there right. And the rules from the British Championship said the first four were qualifiers.After that it is up to me and as manager i asked riders i thought would a.benefit from the chance and b. stand a chance to qualify ok I agree its a tough call on Eddie Kennett but he deserves a shot.(and he is my favorite as you all know!!!)I did offer Andy the slot back and he declared himself unfit after his crash at Reading against Poole.And before you all start saying he was just proving a point by not doing it i dont think so he had paid for his license and was fully prepared to go,but sadly cannot do it.Bringing you right up to date David Howe will now go to Hungary a choice I am sure will again cause loads of contoversy. But went through the list and he jumped at the chance. No i dont think i am bigger than the rules but i am manager and i choose who I think is best people may not agree all the time but hey i can take the stick, makes the world go round. And please any of you who have an axe to grind we me please make yourself known when i visit your track I will be happy to talk it over with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Looking through the riders that have pulled out of the next round either through injury or disinterest, then David Howe looks the next available qualifier. Wouldn’t it have been easier to report the fact that all this had occurred instead of the leading with the picking a choosing method that was originally stated. It only served to get peoples backs up when it could have been avoided. Cheers for the clarification, something the sport needs to do more often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 So whos riding now? It was Kennett and Richardson but now David howe has bene mentioned. Do we have 3 places? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest schumifan Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Apparently Richardson has withdrawn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzman Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 So whos riding now? It was Kennett and Richardson but now David howe has bene mentioned. Do we have 3 places? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Harris and Stead remain Howe is in Hungary, so that means he must replaced Richardson. So in Slovakia Harris and Kennett In Hungary, Stead and Howe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 And please any of you who have an axe to grind we me please make yourself known when i visit your track I will be happy to talk it over with you. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> When are you next in Brokstedt then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Brown Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Looking through the riders that have pulled out of the next round either through injury or disinterest, then David Howe looks the next available qualifier. Wouldn’t it have been easier to report the fact that all this had occurred instead of the leading with the picking a choosing method that was originally stated. It only served to get peoples backs up when it could have been avoided. Cheers for the clarification, something the sport needs to do more often. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> With the greatest respect to David who is having a wretched season here at Oxford it shows the lack of strength in depth in British speedway at the moment. This is a longer term concern than anything on here. I would be genuinely interested to hear Neil Middleditch's thoughts on what needs to happen to breed the youngsters who are to be the next generation. The Conference League is sadly shrinking, the Junio League has had the likes of reading pull out already before a match has been run and the youngsters just don't seem to be coming through with the execption of Bridger and Auty. What does the future hold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 What does the future hold <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Should we start calling out manager Mystic Meg Middlo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 wherever Kennett goes, lets hope the track isn't a big one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boardrider Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 Decisions been made and Middo has bothered to explain his decision and the reasons for it ; for all to see and beyond his responsibilities so perhaps now we can stop the bickering for a bit and get behind the Brits ; you'd all be shocked and pleased if young Mr Kennett pulls out a performance and qualifies wouldn't ya? As for the future of British speedway, there is talent out there but too much of it is lost due to the pressures put on them by fans, management and the media to perform. Rant over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 you'd all be shocked and pleased if young Mr Kennett pulls out a performance and qualifies wouldn't ya?Couldnt give a monkies about Kennett, there are far better kids than him about who are not so lucky to have the support he has had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 same old faces making the same old snide remarks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 (edited) same old faces making the same old snide remarks Yes cos nothing has changed, Kennett has never justified the hype he gets, plus theyre not snide comments, theyre a slamming condemation of the youth policy in this country. Talent matters not, all that does is ya parents bank balance. Edited July 10, 2006 by Dekker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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