pirate paul Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 But he finished ahead of Lee Richardson and he was invited back in. That's the point. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Which is why I said all politics aside. Afraid I don't agree with this nomination business. I think it should be the top 10 or whatever go through and the rest of the places come from qualifying rounds, with maybe a local wildcard. At least that way all riders will be there on merit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philcrumpisgod Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 If the Gp series had been around in Mauger's time he would have had another 5/6 titles to win to catch him. Great Champion yes the greatest ever no way. A true champion wins it over 5 rides on one night, not a series of meetings that you dont even have to win. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Mark, I am a child of the '60's and '70's and saw Mauger many times at his imperious best. I do not claim that Rickardsson is the best, I said that he is arguably the best because many people argue for and against either of the two being better than the other. I have not given my opinion as to which of them is the greatest because they are of a different era and rode/ride under different conditions and rules. For instance, just two quick points, Ivan was a fantastic starter and Tony is (was!) a brilliant racer. It's all just a matter of opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiegal Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Having seen all of them, possibly Rickardsson is/was overall the better racer, but Mauger had far more concerted opposition. Mauger at his peak was a very highly professional rider who was very aware of all the mind games. he was light years ahead of his time in his preparation. Of the others probably Fundin was the equal of the current crop, given that he had only 2 bikes one of which was a mare. Briggo was the real racer of the period, but was thoroughly disorganised and at times shambolic, but had more balls than the rest put together. Craven was simply superb, the Kelly Moran with extra speed but without the booze. It is impossible to rate different riders from other eras as conditions are so very variable. But teh real,real worry is that after Nicholls you have less than nothing coming through.He is nowhere near world class, but the best we have, sadly in my opinion he has already reached and passed his peak. Now that is where the Sky money should have gone, into a structured youth/250cc development. I could tell you a storty about Poland circa 1990, when the Aussies went there and hammered them on their tracks. Maybe one day, but it changed their way of thinking and now look at what is coming through. Any sane British Promoter would always go for a young British Rider over a Pole/Czech/Swede etc for many reasons..but think about it, it just tells you that even 5 years down the line there is nothing coming through. Sad but true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willp Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 I'm glad i'm not the only one how noticed that chap with the piece of paper, I thought, what the hell's he doing? I bet a few of the riders were wondering what he was doing keep walking out in front of them before the start of a race. Also, i'd just like to say a big well done to hans andersen on a great performance last night. Hans has certainly showed the men at the top what they are missing. He scored last night as many as Niels K. Iversen has scored over 5 rounds and more than doubled what pepe has over 5 rounds! Well done hans. Also it must of been great for the Danish fans to have TWO finalists and a winner from them. Imagine what it would be like at cardiff if a british rider won, well we will have to wait a while longer for that of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Totally agree with you about Tony - he might as not be there in the races now. Not the way I'd wish to remember him. Think the fact he is already racing the Porsche series or whatever says more about it - his heart isn't in it and his commitment is now in that discipline. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Don't know if anyone else saw this but in the race where Tony and Antonio met, Tony could of took him a number of times but he let Antonio get the points...I get the impression Tony will probably perform at the last GP to go out with a bang but as he knows hes not riding next year, he hasnt got to worry about finishing in the top 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Oh, and why do they always interview the same riders. Leigh Adams at least 3 times tonight...and they always say the same thing every time! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Credit where it's due though Rabski, Leigh is media friendly whereas the ginger one isn't slow to tell them where to go if things are going against him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Evans Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 (edited) Credit where it's due though Rabski, Leigh is media friendly whereas the ginger one isn't slow to tell them where to go if things are going against him. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And thats part of Adams problem, he is tooooooooooooo nice. He needs to get Edited June 25, 2006 by Mark Evans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Private Dancer Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Hans Andersen. Wow!! Well done my son!! Can we have him at Oxford next year please?! Is there anyone who can take up the challenge to Jason Crump now? Leigh Adams!! What are you like? You are a bloody brilliant rider, but you give up to easily when it matters the most. Keep Smiling PD P.S It was a good G.P to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 (edited) Been away for the best part of a week and came back this afternoon. After suffering the football I decided to watch the GP in fast farward mode, and I was glad I did after the first few races showed the track to be a bit rough to say the least. All night there was nothing on the outside and when riders tried to go around they either fell off ( Trick and Nicholls) or made fools of themselves ( Crump and a few others) Having said that riders soon found that sticking to the white line was the way to go and it did produce some great races, mainly Bjarne and Lindback in the semis with some passionate riding. Come in Hancock and Adams, your time is up! Lindback in particular was worth the admission fee, showing older, more experienced riders how to do it. Adams just didn't have an answer to Antonios riding and surrendered his position with a little waive of the white flag. Unfortunately Antonios lack of experience showed through in the final when he chose 4 instead of three. Still, the writing is plainly on the wall for all to see and this year is a big learning year before he makes a real attempt at the title in a couple of years time. Bjarne did well for third and Andersen showed BSI what a mistake they made in leaving him out of the series. I am sure they will make sure he is in the lineup in 2007, regardless of whether he qualifies or not. Overall a pretty good GP and this time Crump didn't have the luck of an EF or fall in the final to give him an undeserved second chance. Edited June 25, 2006 by Steve Shovlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Adams just didn't have an answer to Antonios riding and surrendered his position with a little waive of the white flag.Lindback has tailed off now the refs have sussed him out at the top level, but Leigh has never been aggressive enough to be a WC under the GP rules he was told that back in early 90s but its not his nature. On a one off system he could easily have been WC on one of his good nights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Not sure I understand what you mean by Lindback tailing off. He is improving by the week and now has a 9+ elite league average, and is reaping the rewards of a Jawa sponsorship. Brian Andersen took 9 brand new engines from Lindback last week! The boy is going places. As for Adams, he is a great rider, who lacks that extra bit of aggression when it matters. he should never have surrendered his second place but was bullied out of it by a young lad with a fraction of Adams experience. Tells a very clear picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 (edited) The boy is going places. As for Adams, he is a great rider, who lacks that extra bit of aggression when it matters. he should never have surrendered his second place but was bullied out of it by a young lad with a fraction of Adams experience. Not convinced about Lindback, but we shall see. A 9+ EL average isnt as relavent as it was as the EL is anything but elite. Re adams how many times have we seen him not take the chance to shut an opponent out of a race who then comes past leigh.... been happening in most GPs last 10 years. Edited June 25, 2006 by Dekker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Well Anton is still only 21 - guess he has a few more years to convince people if they're still not sure. Speaking as someone who gets to watch him week in, week out, he is improving so much and smoothing out the rough edges. I'd say compared to a lot of riders he's doing pretty damn well so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 On a one off system he could easily have been WC on one of his good nights. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Possibly, but I still think that there'd always be someone in the field who just simply wanted it more than Adams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest schumifan Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 If he wasn't so excitable I'd probably agree, although he did well last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Clemens Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Good win by Andersen responding to his none inclusion in this years Grand Prix by upping his game and winning last night. Crump progresses = halfway there Crap track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Possibly, but I still think that there'd always be someone in the field who just simply wanted it more than Adams.You could well be right sadly. Shows that the WC needs more than just talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 If he wasn't so excitable I'd probably agree, although he did well last night. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If you mean Anton it's his excitability that makes him so refreshing. He's the only mad sod who talks about a hard meeting being 'fun' whilst us fans have bitten our nails down to the quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philcrumpisgod Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Been away for the best part of a week and came back this afternoon. After suffering the football I decided to watch the GP in fast farward mode, and I was glad I did after the first few races showed the track to be a bit rough to say the least. All night there was nothing on the outside and when riders tried to go around they either fell off ( Trick and Nicholls) or made fools of themselves ( Crump and a few others) Having said that riders soon found that sticking to the white line was the way to go and it did produce some great races, mainly Bjarne and Lindback in the semis with some passionate riding. Come in Hancock and Adams, your time is up! Lindback in particular was worth the admission fee, showing older, more experienced riders how to do it. Adams just didn't have an answer to Antonios riding and surrendered his position with a little waive of the white flag. Unfortunately Antonios lack of experience showed through in the final when he chose 4 instead of three. Still, the writing is plainly on the wall for all to see and this year is a big learning year before he makes a real attempt at the title in a couple of years time. Bjarne did well for third and Andersen showed BSI what a mistake they made in leaving him out of the series. I am sure they will make sure he is in the lineup in 2007, regardless of whether he qualifies or not. Overall a pretty good GP and this time Crump didn't have the luck of an EF or fall in the final to give him an undeserved second chance. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Mr S, you are going to have to try and be a bit more original now, your constant criticism of the series leader is tiresome and does you no credit. Didn't Tony make a fool of himself (paraphrasing you) when he fell off by himself? You must have made too much use of that fast forward button because it seems like you missed the final where Crump beat Pedersen and Lindback into 3rd and 4th place, Antonio making a fool of himself (again paraphrasing you) by falling off all by himself when in last position. Where is your constructive critique of the world champion or have you given up on him like he seems to have given up on his fans? BTW, I really enjoy watching Antonio race. All action, doesn't seem to know when he is beaten and thrilling to see "his screw it on and hang on" style. I also love watching his interviews, he genuinely seems to be enjoying himself. Hans is not the fairy tale, Antonio Lindback is! I honestly hope he goes on to become world champion someday, it will give our sport a massive shot in the arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 BTW, I really enjoy watching Antonio race. All action, doesn't seem to know when he is beaten and thrilling to see "his screw it on and hang on" style. I also love watching his interviews, he genuinely seems to be enjoying himself. Hans is not the fairy tale, Antonio Lindback is! I honestly hope he goes on to become world champion someday, it will give our sport a massive shot in the arm. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Great post and couldn't agree more. I might be biased as a Poole fan but this guy for me is what speedway is all about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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