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I'm pretty sure it's the bottle tops that they would take off you anyway...Apparently without a lid you can't throw it at someone.

 

Easy solution...i do it for every football game i go to - just put it inside your coat, and once you're inside..you're free to put the top back on and fire it at anyone you please! 

 

Me personally...i wouldn't be throwing mine unless S***ehewe* got a call up again...

 

Failing that...drop me a line, and i can  use my pit pass to smuggle all sorts of stuff in - for a small fee of course!

 

TThanks for your reply, made me giggle!! Well if i put the bottle then i would like to see them try! But i will find some way of getting water in there. :D

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TThanks for your reply, made me giggle!! Well if i put the bottle then i would like to see them try! But i will find some way of getting water in there. :D

 

Drink the water and then put some bacardi or vodka in it. See I'm not just a pretty face :rolleyes::wink:

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I have read of 'groundhoppers' people who visit football grounds taking pictures and then the next day having Police knocking on the door to question his use of a camera. It mess with exculsive rights ie. Sky Sports.

 

However with Cardiff being the TOP event in Speedway, I can see no probelm, we all know that flash photography during the races is a very bad idea. I have only ever been searched once at Cardiff, kill joys!!

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I have read of 'groundhoppers' people who visit football grounds taking pictures and then the next day having Police knocking on the door to question his use of a camera. It mess with exculsive rights ie. Sky Sports.

Sky have exclusive commercial rights. Some fan taking a photo for personal use is not commercial.

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Off target a bit I know, but...

 

Did someone say they had an airhorn at the 1987 cov v spurs cup final?? It's your fault I missed the whole 2nd half with a headache then! :angry::wink::D

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But the current questioning of use of cameras at public events is a law to protect children. It has nothing to do with rights or people making money.

The law is a complete joke as a freelance photographer can take a picture down your local high street shops, kids and a celebrity are in the image and hey presto the pic is published all over the newspaper systems and magazines and websites.

 

Whats the difference? It seems kids are the problem keep them out of the way :P

 

Phones have cameras so are phones to be banned as well if they have a built in camera?

 

The so called laws are a complete joke not thought through and put in place to irritate people.

 

Get some good public liability insurance and legal cover and take photos at your favourite sporting event and let someone sue you, as long as you are using the image as is without manipulation or out of context there is no problem is there?

 

I went to one of my daughters school plays a few weeks ago, asked if I could take photos of her and was told no problem, in fact the amount of parents not asking permission outweighed the ones of us that did.

 

With digital camera equipment including camera phones the law really needs to be looked at by sensible people who don't smoke funny fags.

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Off target a bit I know, but...

 

Did someone say they had an airhorn at the 1987 cov v spurs cup final?? It's your fault I missed the whole 2nd half with a headache then! :angry::wink::D

 

Even more off target, but....

 

I remember that day really well. Swindon were at Coventry that evening and I went up in my Dad's car. Going to the stadium there was a gauntlet of people on the sides of the roads waving banners, scarves etc, plus people hanging out the windows of packed trains celebrating.

 

Can't remember the Speedway though.

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I went to one of my daughters school plays a few weeks ago, asked if I could take photos of her and was told no problem, in fact the amount of parents not asking permission outweighed the ones of us that did.

 

Therein lies the difference; you obtained permission. You cannot take pictures of children without pemission of their parents, for obvious reasons.

 

Forget taking pictures of the racing at Cardiff (Speedway Star style) because as Matt says unless you have a 300mm 2.8 lens your wasting your time. If you take a picture with any camera from the stands with the most expensive flash in the world you will only get a picture of the heads of the fans a few rows down.

 

The 2.8 of a lens means if you push the ISO to its max you might get enough available light to get some images. ITS ALL ABOUT LIGHT (or the lack of it..)

 

Concentrate on getting atmospheric shots or the build up. If you like we will have a small photo comp with a choice of one of my prints as prize.

 

Send me your best shots from Cardiff and I will post them (Maybe through Adam) I will be the only judge as its my prize. (Yes - Goddenmax SOD off...)

 

What you think? Email them through and we can have a little fun. :)

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Therein lies the difference; you obtained permission. You cannot take pictures of children without pemission of their parents, for obvious reasons.

So how can you get permission from people in the street, public places, stadiums, race circuits ala Silverstone ? Impossible, hence an ill conceived rule/law which could never be upheld in a court of law unless signage was placed outside each and every public event.

 

Yesterday in Christchurch there was a car event being held in a School Playing Field, no signage outside loads of people taking pics of brand new flashy cars and you've guessed it loads of kids about and getting into plenty of photos no doubt. How do you police that? Answer = you can't.

 

I agree that kids need to be protected from some of the strange so called humans that have been bread, although sad to say this is nothing new, the part that is new is the Internet or so the authorities think as they are so behind the times anyway.

 

There is a fine line here, a TV camera from Sky can pan into a kid in the crowd yet a stills photographer cannot take a picture with a kid in part or whole view without permission, double standards? Could be a weirdo working the TV camera :P

 

What about School photographers, parents never get asked permission if their child can have their photo taken, of course not it makes the School a few easy quid each year.

 

 

Forget taking pictures of the racing at Cardiff (Speedway Star style) because as Matt says unless you have a 300mm 2.8 lens your wasting your time. If you take a picture with any camera from the stands with the most expensive flash in the world you will only get a picture of the heads of the fans a few rows down.

 

The 2.8 of a lens means if you push the ISO to its max you might get enough available light to get some images. ITS ALL ABOUT LIGHT (or the lack of it..)

Quite agree :approve:

 

 

Concentrate on getting atmospheric shots or the build up. If you like we will have a small photo comp with a choice of one of my prints as prize.

Won't you need permission from all parents? :wink:

 

 

Send me your best shots from Cardiff and I will post them (Maybe through Adam) I will be the only judge as its my prize. (Yes - Goddenmax SOD off...)

 

What you think? Email them through and we can have a little fun. :)

Good idea Jim hope you get plenty to judge :D

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What about School photographers, parents never get asked permission if their child can have their photo taken, of course not it makes the School a few easy quid each year.

 

 

We were. Had a letter to sign giving permission for our daughter to be photographed for this and at school events etc.

 

At her Christmas play parents just turned up with camras, videos etc. and just took whatever they wanted and nobody batted an eyelid. I think it's a nonsense if you can't take photos of events just because there are children there. I'm not sure how real this claim is. I've certainly never come across it in reality.

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can you get permission from people in the street, public places, stadiums, race circuits ala Silverstone ? Impossible, hence an ill conceived rule/law which could never be upheld in a court of law unless signage was placed outside each and every public event.

 

I am surprised with that response from you Tim - with that scenerio your talking crowd shots and that as the law stands difficult to enforce.

 

You go up to a child and take a photo in the street without permission and see where you finish up.

 

There is no reason for anyone to take pictures of kids at Cardiff as a subject per sa and you know it. Unless its a parent with a particular scene, as did Nevs did with one of his entries for the Forum Photo Comp of his daughter.

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We were. Had a letter to sign giving permission for our daughter to be photographed for this and at school events etc.

 

At her Christmas play parents just turned up with camras, videos etc. and just took whatever they wanted and nobody batted an eyelid. I think it's a nonsense if you can't take photos of events just because there are children there. I'm not sure how real this claim is. I've certainly never come across it in reality.

 

I did not say that you cannot take pictures of events if there are children there either.

 

Dont forget though Grachan anyone who goes into schools now officially in any capacity have to be vetted and checked out with the police and CRO and quite rightly too

 

I am not scoring points here, you want to take pictures of children go ahead. I don't have a problem with it though I would not personally unless asked to do so by the parents.

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I am surprised with that response from you Tim - with that scenerio your talking crowd shots and that as the law stands difficult to enforce.

Why are you suprised at my response when you agree the law is difficult to enforce at events that show no signage forbidding photography Jim, so where is the line drawn? It getting thinner and thinner all the time.

 

You go up to a child and take a photo in the street without permission and see where you finish up.

I agree but fact of life many media photographers do without permission, I have seen it time and time again :angry:

 

Take a look at the postcards on sale next time you visit the coast and sure enough you will find some with kids on. A large printers close to me produce such postcards I see them on a regular basis and there is no way everyone in the picture has given permission to the photographer to reproduce these images for sale.

 

There is no reason for anyone to take pictures of kids at Cardiff as a subject per sa and you know it. Unless its a parent with a particular scene, as did Nevs did with one of his entries for the Forum Photo Comp of his daughter.

I completley agreee with you Jim, my BPPA homepage has two shots of my youngest daughters so like Nevs I am proud to show off these particular photos, nothing wrong with that at all.

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Why are you suprised at my response when you agree the law is difficult to enforce at events that show no signage forbidding photography Jim, so where is the line drawn? It getting thinner and thinner all the time.

 

Well, its a bit like copyright. Now, there is no need to watermark. Its there and any user has to satisfy themselves that any copyright material is free or expect to pay a fee if caught. No signage required.

 

Tell me about it Tim. At BSB and WSB and MotoGP if your not a 'authorised' by Dorna or Flammini, as a photographer in theory your not able to take photo's and sell them without a licence from them as they say they hold all repro rights.. Not sure how they can regulate 80,000 at Donington for the GP though. :)

 

The simulator ride at these events paid Dorna £6000.00 for 4 minutes of footage. The guy who runs it will not let anyone enter with a camera or video. He says he would loose his house if it ever got back to Dorna.

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The problem is we are not allowed to take a camera into a sports event as we may take photos of kids. Us photographers argue we could just as eaily go to the high street or even worse (or better if thats what you're after) the beach!

 

In France, you cannot take a photos without asking EVERYONE in the shot for their permission first, even if they're not the subject, if you can tell it's them you need their permission, are we heading that way too? Wouldn't it be a bit sad that we may potentially be unable to take pictures of our kids, sibblings, cousins and other friends and family just because of the odd pervert who is probably far more imaginative than me or you who would just whip out our camera and use it casually?

 

I have a spy camera at home that I paid £20 for, I would hold it in my hand and get some footage and you'd never know! Any sicko would just use that kind of camera.

 

For the record if I was going to take a photos of ANYONE I'd ask there permission, it make it clear I was taking a photo of them so if they had any complaint they could let me know and NO I would not take pictures of kids in the street randomly.

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