tarabanko Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 Swedish Elitserien Round 3 All matches starts CET 19.00 Follow them live here: http://www.speedway.nu/2006/resultat.asp?elit The matches today are: Bajen Speedway - Smederna Luxo Stars - Piraterna Indianerna - VMS Elit Will be shown on Swedish Tv4+ starts CET 22:00 Rospiggarna - Västervik Vargarna - MasarnaAvesta Iam off to Stockholm to see Bajen - Smederna today and will try to take som pics to. / Mikael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champion Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 Where can I find current averages ? I've found some here: http://www.speedway.nu/2006/snitt.htm but, for example, still I can't understand why Kolodziej's average is 5,05 or 5,37 while Rempala's average is 6,10 or 5,88 (both Rospiggarna). Janusz has 20 points (24 with bonuses) in 10 heats and Rempala only 9 points in 9 heats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 Have Vastervik and the Gollobs fallen out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarahlynch Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 Any of you guys know what hapened to Sam Ermolenko tonight saw he fell in his first race and then didnt come back out and cant read swedish to make sense of the comments on the results site! Thanks Sarah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonarmy084 Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 it does not say anything about ermolenko on there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarabanko Posted May 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 Ermo crashed in heat 2 and hurt his neck. He was taken to hospital but has been released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarabanko Posted May 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 Have Vastervik and the Gollobs fallen out? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not as far as I know. Tomasz rode today for Västervik. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarabanko Posted May 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 Where can I find current averages ? I've found some here: http://www.speedway.nu/2006/snitt.htm but, for example, still I can't understand why Kolodziej's average is 5,05 or 5,37 while Rempala's average is 6,10 or 5,88 (both Rospiggarna). Janusz has 20 points (24 with bonuses) in 10 heats and Rempala only 9 points in 9 heats. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Janusz Kolodziej is going in with the average he finsihed on last year [5,05] his average this year so far is [5,63] Hope that helps you to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 Not as far as I know. Tomasz rode today for Västervik. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Silly Subedei. I was looking at the wrong meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champion Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 Janusz Kolodziej is going in with the average he finsihed on last year [5,05] his average this year so far is [5,63] Hope that helps you to understand. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 5,63 per what ? After yesterday's meeting there's: 32 points (37 with bonuses) in 15 heats. I would rather say his CMA is (37:15)*4=9,87. What am I missing ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racer X Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 5,63 per what ? After yesterday's meeting there's: 32 points (37 with bonuses) in 15 heats. I would rather say his CMA is (37:15)*4=9,87. What am I missing ? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The Swedes operate some sort of rolling average that I have never quite determined. I think Kevin Meynell may be able to explain - it may be on his FAQs? After yesterday's meeting Janusz's average in Polish / GB terms is 10.57. (Janusz has an exclusion for 2 minutes although I can't quite fathom whether the Swedes actually count that as a ride) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlundstedt Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 Some pictures from Rospiggarna v Västervik HERE //Roffe Lundstedt www.speedwayhistory.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarabanko Posted May 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 Champion, Iam not to good to explain averages. I hope Anders or Kevin Meynell can help you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 (edited) I was happy to see that Joonas got the hang of Gubbangen, and Laukkanen scored some points as well, and beat Rune Holta too. Edited May 17, 2006 by f-s-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garf Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 Champion, Iam not to good to explain averages. I hope Anders or Kevin Meynell can help you. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Can't you just set up an example of how to do it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddas69 Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 Can't you just set up an example of how to do it ? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> http://www.speedway-faq.org/swedish.html#teamfmtn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anders Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 The Swedes operate some sort of rolling average that I have never quite determined. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You are not the only one, it is a bloody ridiculous way to calculate averages and I can´t understand the advantages for doing so...or actually explain it without using a rule book. I think Kevin Meynell may be able to explain - it may be on his FAQs?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Maddas69 has provided the link above, just look under "What are the rules for team selection in the Swedish leagues?" for an example. After yesterday's meeting Janusz's average in Polish / GB terms is 10.57.(Janusz has an exclusion for 2 minutes although I can't quite fathom whether the Swedes actually count that as a ride) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> An exclusion for exceeding two minutes count as a ride as the rider isn´t replaced by a reserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racer X Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 You are not the only one, it is a bloody ridiculous way to calculate averages and I can´t understand the advantages for doing so...or actually explain it without using a rule book. Maddas69 has provided the link above, just look under "What are the rules for team selection in the Swedish leagues?" for an example. An exclusion for exceeding two minutes count as a ride as the rider isn´t replaced by a reserve. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm glad I'm not the only one bamboozled by the Swedish averages! All I can think of is that they have better statisticians in Sweden than the UK. Here the authorities were unable to get standard averages issued last year within a week of qualifying! Just think what it would be like if they had to work out: Individual Average x Total League Matches + Match Average - Starting Average ÷ Total League Matches = New Individual Average I don't really understand why on earth a 2 min exclusion should ever count towards an average even if the rider isn't replaced. He hasn't had a ride or even lined up at the tapes - it seems crazy this should affect his average. Whether he is replaced by a reserve of not is surely academic? This seems bizarre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champion Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 http://www.speedway-faq.org/swedish.html#teamfmtn <{POST_SNAPBACK}> oh my god ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverstam Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Well it's a system not exactly easily grasped. I've been going to speedway matches for 17 years, and it's only just recently that I've been able to wrap my brain around this intricate formula. And that was because I made a real effort to understand it. Just hanging around speedway grounds and generally reading into the programme won't get you far. It was an excellent explanation on the FAQs page though. Hello tarabanko! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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