buzzybee Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Ahhh...last years championship of Gb brings back some memories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 I've read it Tabby This is probably the only event the bspa controls without the use of averages or Middlo's choice. Hence the clampdown. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Spot on. My first impression when i read the article was that Mark was just too arrogant to think he had to complete the necessary admin. And as you rightly state, the ELRC and Pairs are down to averages and Test and WC matches down to Middlo selection. All this form does is stipulate that the rider agrees to honour these commitments, no guarantee that they'll be invited to British Final. The fact it's not been implemented in the last 3 years doesn't make it right. Fill the appropriate forms and there's no issue...end of, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Mark does not have a leg to stand on. The BSPa were good enough to ask him if he wanted to ride in the ELRC, the Pairs and for Team GB, he said yes so they had a verbal contract. They have decided not to let him ride in the British Championship. IF Mark had signed the form and not played some silly game (for 3 years) and refused to put British speedway first, he'd not be in his current position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboycookfan Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 There is a reason Mark didn't sign the form - there is a grey area about riding re-arranged fixtures. Nothing to do with arrogance, or being too big for british speedway - I've met Mark, and he's a great, down-to-earth guy. Some people on here are very quick to judge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 There is a reason Mark didn't sign the form - there is a grey area about riding re-arranged fixtures. Nothing to do with arrogance, or being too big for british speedway - I've met Mark, and he's a great, down-to-earth guy. Some people on here are very quick to judge <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm sure he is, but the crux of his issue with re-arranged fixtures is that he isn't necessarily prepared to put his English commitments first, whether they be re-arranged or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboycookfan Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Well done Mark and Chris for the 5-1 over Scott Nicholls and Bomber Harris in ht 13 at Foxhall tonight. Best of British speedway on display right there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboycookfan Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 I'm sure he is, but the crux of his issue with re-arranged fixtures is that he isn't necessarily prepared to put his English commitments first, whether they be re-arranged or not. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Put yourself in his shoes. Would you? Or look at it another way. One of your foreign riders was supposed to be available for a fixture, but at short notice isn't because of a re-arranged one abroad. Would you be happy? Food for thought... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 The Poles call their riders back on a whim, why should we not make the same demands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Just like life we are all bound by increasing regulations that replace common sense and the ability to be flexible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 (edited) Put yourself in his shoes. Would you? Or look at it another way. One of your foreign riders was supposed to be available for a fixture, but at short notice isn't because of a re-arranged one abroad. Would you be happy? Food for thought... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nope, but you have to expect a riders home federation to have most pull. We've had enough experience of that at Swindon over the past few weeks. I expect Gafurov to put Russian commitments first, Miedzinski Polish ones and therefore English riders should put their home fixtures first too. Edited May 18, 2006 by frigbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboycookfan Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 (edited) This is going to sound mercenery, but unfortunately, it is a fact that we don't pay as well. I guess it's partially due to the fact that it's not as popular here Interesting to note that Kim Jansson occasionaly misses matches in his native Sweden to ride for the witches Edited May 18, 2006 by cowboycookfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 It is mercenary, most Speedway riders simply chase the biggest bucks and have little regard for the fans of the teams they ride for in that respect. That's the bottom line with the Loram issue in my opinion. He won't sign up to British re-arranged commitments in case he misses some bigger pay packet elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addy Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Does anyone know when this starts? Not sure if I can just about make it. I will be in Cheshire on that day, so may be able to fit it in before going to a friend's 21st (even though it's actually on my birthday!) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It would be nice if you could We will help you to to enjoy your birthday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuzieQ Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 It is mercenary, most Speedway riders simply chase the biggest bucks and have little regard for the fans of the teams they ride for in that respect. That's the bottom line with the Loram issue in my opinion. He won't sign up to British re-arranged commitments in case he misses some bigger pay packet elsewhere. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, this is your opinion! I think if you actually asked Mark you would find that he has and will always put Britain first! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepper Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 I'm a bit confused by the whole situation with Loram - but also about Alan Mogridge. Now if the BSPA will only allow riders into British qualifiers if they have signed the form then surely Mogridge must have signed and therefore agreed to take part in the semi-final. If not - then how did they fine him? If so - why did he sign when he stated from the beginning of the season he was retiring this year and didn't want to take part. Also the fact that they have in the past allowed riders to take part without signing the form should mean it would have been sensible to let the riders know they were going to be cracking down this season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Yes, this is your opinion! I think if you actually asked Mark you would find that he has and will always put Britain first! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's a game of opinions Tabby. If what you say is correct, please enlighten as to what the issue is with re-arranged fixtures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 I'm a bit confused by the whole situation with Loram - but also about Alan Mogridge. Now if the BSPA will only allow riders into British qualifiers if they have signed the form then surely Mogridge must have signed and therefore agreed to take part in the semi-final. If not - then how did they fine him? If so - why did he sign when he stated from the beginning of the season he was retiring this year and didn't want to take part. Also the fact that they have in the past allowed riders to take part without signing the form should mean it would have been sensible to let the riders know they were going to be cracking down this season? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hmm, the Moggo situation is an odd one. I agree that it would not have been too difficult to send a directive out with the forms advising of the stricter implementation this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuzieQ Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 It's a game of opinions Tabby. If what you say is correct, please enlighten as to what the issue is with re-arranged fixtures. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I am aware that a forum is about everyone expressing their own opinions and I respect everyone for expressing theirs, trust me I have no problem with that! With regards to the re-arranged fixtures, it is based over the wording of this, it states that they will agree to re-arranged fixtures where reasonable notice is given! Yet nowhere does it actually state what "reasonable notice" is. For all any of the riders know, this could be receiving a call the morning of a re-arranged meeting and then being told they HAVE to ride because they have signed this form! (I know this type of situation is highly unlikely to happen, but that is just a basic example) As I understand it many riders feel this needs to be addressed so that the "grey" areas are more black and white! Something that the SRA should be looking into and dealing with no doubt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 As I understand it many riders feel this needs to be addressed so that the "grey" areas are more black and white! Something that the SRA should be looking into and dealing with no doubt! Only in speedway would this be allowed to last three years - yes it needs sorting and to do that you need a professional organisation to deal with it. Q. What do we have? A. The BSPA. The one thing I can't get my head round in all this is, what are the consequences of not signing the form? Is it just disqualification from the British Championship? Surely, if the form is not signed and returned the result should be the loss of your licence, that would be the only cut and dried way to deal with it and would certainly clear up any 'grey areas' once and for all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 I'm sure he is, but the crux of his issue with re-arranged fixtures is that he isn't necessarily prepared to put his English commitments first, whether they be re-arranged or not. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Marks Polish team (and Robert Miskowiaks for that matter) had a re-arranged fixture last saturday. Miskowiak chose to ride for his polish club leaving Ipswich to replace him with a premier league reserve, while Mark was "prepared to put his English commitments first" and take his place for Ipswich at Eastbourne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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