Should Nicki P Have Been Excluded

[Grachan]

Edited April 24, 2006 by Grachan

[youngy105]

On that evidence then Yes, but it doesn't matter now. The result stands and congrats to Nicki P, Jason and Gollob on their rostrum finishes.

[stevehone]

i noticed that but with the white line being about a foot wide it did make a mockery and very difficult for the ref as everybody was doing it.

[rabbit]

Agree with Honey...I thought Anton had crossed it too in one race, but as Steve, pretty much everyone was doing it and there was so much chalkdust you couldn't tell who was on the track or off it.

[Grachan]

On that evidence then Yes, but it doesn't matter now. The result stands and congrats to Nicki P, Jason and Gollob on their rostrum finishes.

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I agree and it would have made absolutely no difference in the end anyway. I saw several borderline cases, but Nicki was the only time I defintely thought someone had gone right over.

 

It's difficult to say what defines the inside line anyway without a proper kerb there.

Edited April 22, 2006 by Grachan

[SCB]

Agree with others, loads of riders seemed to be doing it. I noticed Zagar do it once as well, had Zagar been excluded Lee would have been in the semi, Nicki grasstracking didn't effect the result.

 

The ref was poor, 3 riders jumped the start and loads crossed the white line. Who was the ref?

[Carcal]

I noticed in one race that Lee Richardson also crossed the line, pretty obvious from his rear wheel turning white half way round a bend.

[tarabanko]

Noticed Nickis both wheels on the inside of the white line, but the ref was not good, lots of rolls out here today. They have a law that rolling arent allowed and should be strictly followed.

But it is easy to sit here and say what to do, its harder under pressure.

[DanTheMan]

i alsoe noticed a few riders doing this tonight, but yes, the white line was stupidly wide tonight

[Lawrence]

The same action was made by Tony Rickardsson in the Final - 4th lap, end of 1st corner - I think that Tony should have been excluded too

[Rob B]

We were there and saw several riders go over the white line with their back wheel on the first & second bend, problem is it's virtually impossible for the referee to see, especially on the 2nd and 3rd bends.

[Hazzman]

The Ref was non-existent on Saturday, didnt have to do anything in the first 10 heats. So he thought he will watch the meeting and put his feet up with a Cold Lech at a guess.

[21st century heathen]

What a shock. Virtually every rider used the same tactic, but Nicki is singled out!

 

I saw no evidence of grass been thrown up by the back wheel. My understanding is that to be excluded a rider must have both wheels over the line. In short the answer to the question is no. Most riders had their front wheel over the line, but their back wheel was on it and not over it.

[Grachan]

What a shock.  Virtually every rider used the same tactic, but Nicki is singled out!

 

 

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Don't come the 'Nicki being singled out' argument with me, 21CH! It might be true with some people but with me it's way off the mark. To me this was simply the clearest case of a rider going right over the line, that's all.

 

I resent that suggestion. Nicki is my tip for the title this year and one of my favourite riders. A perfectly legitimate point to raise. It looks to me like both wheels are over the line.

[21st century heathen]

The fact is that on this occasion you have singled Nicki out. You ask the question of him specifically. You do not mention the fact that others did the same. Other members have brought up the fact that it was not just Nicki.

 

I don't want to argue with you but I can only comment on your words here, not your private thoughts.

 

If you feel he has both wheels over the line that's fine. I disagree with you though. I still say that his back wheel is on the line.

[Squirelnutkins]

The same action was made by Tony Rickardsson in the Final - 4th lap, end of 1st corner - I think that Tony should have been excluded too

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If Tony can get away with it then i think Nicki can get away with it The ref didnt say anything.

[Grachan]

Yeah, because I watched the racing, thought to myself: looks like that was over the line with both wheels and was half expecting him to be excluded. So what? Genuine point.

Edited April 24, 2006 by Grachan

[AndyM]

I don't remember if or when I ever saw an exclusion for both wheels over the white line, but it's been very, very rare and I'm positive that I've seen riders break the rule at least once per season and hardly ever suffer punishment. Perhaps refs need re-education to ensure the laws are applied correctly?

 

The one that aggreived me most was many years ago at Brandon, when Ole Olsen won a tight race against PC by blatantly cutting a corner. All the Aces fans were up in arms, but the ref and all Bees fans suddenly did a Wenger and were afflicted by selective blindness!!

[Boyscout]

To this boy scout, the problem was that the white line was about 1 foot wide!

[21st century heathen]

Yeah, because I watched the racing, thought to myself: looks like that was over the line with both wheels and was half expecting him to be excluded. So what? Genuine point.

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So nothing. I was just responding. If Nicki bashing wasn't your intention I apologise, but that's the way it looked.

 

Genuine point. Yes, I agree that riders crossing the inside line is a valid topic for discussion. Wasn't it Bager that was excluded at P'brgh last year for having both wheels over the inside on the run to the first corner?

 

I also remember Greg H going way over the inside in a GP (Poland?) a few years years ago (2000ish).

 

The answer is simply to have curbs instead of lines.

 

I don't see why people are commenting on the width of the line. Why does it matter how wide the line is?