2ndbendbeerhut Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Hate to say it guys and girls but you know what? Nothing good will come from today, its downhill from now................... Karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 WELL NEIL, YOU'RE ALSO TEAM GB MANAGER, SO SUPPORT THE TEAM GB BOYS IN THE BIG EVENTS YOU <BEEP>. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> SCB - it's a club event! These riders were representing their clubs not their countries!!! If he was supporting Nicholls, richardson, Louis, loram and Howe there today - as a Poole fan I'd have been disappointed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 But let's not climb all over Poole's back either. They're no better and no worse than any other EL track. In the prevalent weather conditions the same thing would've happened at Oxford, Eastbourne, Peterborough, Ipswich, wherever. Want to have an ELRC held? Take it to Sweden or Poland and there'll be no trouble. TBH, I'm not 100% convinced about that. The riders that did voice complaints on camera were saying that the track was just ridiculously greasy in some areas. That's surely a classic case of a little rain on an over slick surface, with nothing to soak the water up. Presumably that's was in the areas where the traditional blue groove appears around that particular track. Maybe if there was more dirt on the track there wouldn't have been so much of a problem. What was clear was that none of the riders seemed keen to sit and wait for any prolonged period of time. Given that there was dry weather all around and the meeting was started so early, waiting for 30 minutes or even an hour would have been the sensible course of action. Several people, not just Subedei, have commented on how the Swedes and Poles get these meetings on...but they also wait for the rain to stop and then start fixing the track however long it takes...There are a few GPs over the years that have been perfect examples of this, with the meetings being delayed well past start time to ensure that the tracks were ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 TBH, I'm not 100% convinced about that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You're just never 100% convinced about anything I write. Weren't even 100% convinced about Markie Post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Perhaps the meeting could have been delayed for an hour, work done on the track, and then the meeting run? Sky could have recorded the meeting rather than showing it live. Then the next time a meeting is called off they'd have had something to show. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Turner Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 No point talking about what happens in Sweden and Poland, when you mean GP's. This wasn't a GP. D'you think they work like that for league meetings over there ?! No chance. Not that I've ever seen, anyway...and there's been a good few opportunities. GP's cost a fortune to stage, so obviously it's a different ball game. p.s Don't forget the farcical scenes at an earlier Swedish GP, by the way ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G the Bee Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 The irony here, of course, is that the GP boys seem to be picking up the blame for the meeting being called off, but had the meeting actually been a GP I believe it would have been run. I have seen GP's and World Cup meetings run in far worse conditions. I think Sky missed an opportunity to directly question a GP rider over this issue tonight. I think Steve's letter is spot on and perhaps it should be sent to the Speedway Star together with as many countersignatories as possible of people who actually attended this meeting. Even if the riders do not read the forum, we know they nearly all read Speedway Star. I certainly hope that Sky get the powers-that-be from the BSPA into their offices over the shambles we have seen this week. Perhaps a race-director, like Olsen in the GP's, needs to be appointed for Sky meetings. Whilst I am not saying the riders should not have a voice, I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks it has gone too far. To often (and not just on Sky) we see referees bowing down to rider power and meetings cancelled which could have been on with a little more patience and commitment, but how often does this happen in the GP's? I only recall one GP being cancelled in 11 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevs Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 (edited) Been working all day-couldnt be there, dont have Sky at the moment,came home, hoping to see what happened and who won,skimmed through the thread instead of reading it fully after the first couple of pages, with the basic supposed details and said Oh bugger,not again. And if that is the case Steve then thank you for being as vociferous in your posting in this as when the PLRC went ** up as well. What is going on?? Quite frankly the major events(yes I will call The ELRC championship a major event-are quite frankly being made to look plain bleedin stupid by the sounds of it by either certain riders,The Tv schedule,referees who can make the decision-or should be able to- or the people that decided to run The Elite riders championship in April Half of them havent exactly appeared to be top riders for their club this season when they have ridden hardly any meetings and half of the top guys havent wanted to race in it before-It is totally and utterly devalued Scrap it or run it later No Idea-but sounds like it has been a bit of a pig of the day all round! Edited April 16, 2006 by Nevsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 No point talking about what happens in Sweden and Poland, when you mean GP's. This wasn't a GP. D'you think they work like that for league meetings over there ?! No chance. Not that I've ever seen, anyway...and there's been a good few opportunities. GP's cost a fortune to stage, so obviously it's a different ball game. p.s Don't forget the farcical scenes at an earlier Swedish GP, by the way ! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The second leg of the play-off final at Vastervik was delayed for around an hour or so last season due to heavy rain. But it went ahead after the rain stopped and the track was sorted out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Turner Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Yes Subedei, and it happens a lot over here. What's your point again ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Yes Subedei, and it happens a lot over here. What's your point again ? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sir Lunchalot Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 I'll make the same point here as I did on the Workington called off meeting last month .... have riders forgotten that speedway is also entertainment and there is a thing called "putting on a show". I would have thought peeing off the people who pay their money through the gate week in and week out would be the last thing the riders should want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 limited TV coverage you were watching Talking of which - what did the riders come out on in the end Rabs....... waterskis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevs Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Well lets hope it is reported from all angles,riders that agree,riders that didnt,referee,track staff and promotion, et all this week. I wont hold me breath but boy do I wish I had sky at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 I'll make the same point here as I did on the Workington called off meeting last month .... have riders forgotten that speedway is also entertainment and there is a thing called "putting on a show". I would have thought peeing off the people who pay their money through the gate week in and week out would be the last thing the riders should want. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not all have forgotten Lunchy. Workington and Glasgow riders rode in snow last week (even Shane ). I can't comment on the specifics of todays ELRC as I was at Glasgow so did't see what happened but it does occur to me that sometimes you are damned if you do damned if you don't. If the meeting had gone ahead and someone had been injured would we all be saying 'its a disgrace, it should have been stopped, they only tried to race it because of sky'? I seem to recall one or two of those threads not that long ago. The one thing that does strike me is that apparently those in charge of track preparation have said it wasn't fit to carry on riding. If that was the case I don't see how they could do anything else but call it off. As I say though this is very general as I didn't see it for myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 boy do I wish I had sky at the moment. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why's that mate - do you fancy watching a repeat of Cardiff last year then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevs Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 (edited) No-just to have actually seen todays debacle-which it sounds like on here for myself- for myself-for who ever is blaming everyone else on here. Mind you I would be quite happy to have watched Bjorn again...mmmmmm Edited April 16, 2006 by Nevsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trackman Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Yeh but they still put in 100% in any conditions and then still have to work on monday morning <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Back in the good old days .... when "Grasstrack" was the feeder into speedway, we had loads of top riders......Today your a speedway rider the day you buy a bike Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace no.5 Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 (edited) Funny how Crumpy gets the blame from certain corners... So predictable aswell! Crumpy gave his opinion, he is a leader, an excellent one at that. There were quite a few (if not more) riders there today that agreed with that opinion. No rider is bigger than the sport. No-one. Everyone knows that. The meeting today was called off by the referee (pretty much on the advice of the Clerk of the Course). As Rabbit said on page 10, the CotC is possibly one of the most respected in the country, yet he stated, live on Sky, that there was no more that they could do with the track, and he thought the meeting should be called off... Why do people always have to find a scapegoat? Then again, at least some people on here have the guts to name names instead of being 'bitchy' without naming names... You know who you are. Edited April 16, 2006 by Ace no.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 You're just never 100% convinced about anything I write. Weren't even 100% convinced about Markie Post. I'm 100% convinced of your dedication towards, and belief in, Tomek's chances in the GP... Just as an aside, seeing as how I am mentioning GP riders. Someone may already have commented on this, but why was the figure of 75% of the field being GP riders being bandied around on Sky tonight? Adams, Pedersen, Crump, Hancock, Richardson, Pedersen and Nicholls don't seem to equate to 75% of the field... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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