500cc And U15's

[tim webster]

i think i am the one at fault there with the spelling sorry bout that mate.

[sCATygirl!]

As I said in my last post, only bought the 500cc because Jamie was told he could handle one. He went to a training school where he actually rode two, both with different set ups and did very well.

 

He wasn't really interested in going flat out in competitions yet, just wanted to get his confidence up and build up slowly.

 

I certainly do not have the funds to now get a 250, it is just not an option. We were going to get him a 250 or 350.

 

Shame the governing body and the ??????? who decided this couldn't have agreed and announced it at the end of last season, instead of letting lots of parents and thier children spend the money on equipment during the winter.

 

I understand that I am not the only one who is livid, there are quite a few angry parents out there.

 

Thanks SCB, another rider you have screwed over

 

My apologies to anyone out there who doesn't agree with me but Jamie worked really hard to get the money together for this bike and now it is just going to sit in a shed. Sorry I am just angry!!!

Edited February 20, 2006 by sCATygirl!

[lazyrider]

me to sppent £1.700 kitting him out jawa bring a 250cc engine out why when they can not make to meet demands jawa agents can not get any for 8 weeks,this should be ruled in for 2007 not 4 weeks before the start of the race year, they must sit in a pub and after 10 pints think of new rules . do the chuckle brothers work there

[Dekker]

About time, it sad that this has come about 4 weeks before the season but IMO anyone under 16 should be on a 80cc.

 

Its never done the scandanavians any harm that way.

[Vince]

80cc bikes are only any good on suitable tracks - which we don't have over here.

Apparently the parts needed to convert a 500 to 250 are too expensive to make it worthwhile. However a 350 can be converted reasonably easily and there should be a few cheap 350 engines about from the grass track. It means relocating the crankpin - which has also to be stepped and re-sleeving the barrel. Not a 5 minute do it yourself job but I would have thought a whole lot cheaper than a new 250.

[F.H.A]

and there should be a few cheap 350 engines about from the grass track.

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You'll be very lucky to find any cheap 350's knocking about on the grass, they're like rocking horse droppings.

[toonarmy084]

Apparently the parts needed to convert a 500 to 250 are too expensive to make it worthwhile. However a 350 can be converted reasonably easily and there should be a few cheap 350 engines about from the grass track. It means relocating the crankpin - which has also to be stepped and re-sleeving the barrel. Not a 5 minute do it yourself job but I would have thought a whole lot cheaper than a new 250.

 

Quote Vince

 

As a tuner I can convert a 500cc speedway engine into a 250cc engine in the same way i convert 500s to 350s for the grass track. Ive got 2 250 gms for sale for ¢2500 + tax now and can convert existing gm and jawa motors for 600GBP but at the end of the season if you send me your motor back i can convert back to 500cc. But if its geared right it can be almost as quick as a 500 anyway. If you watch grass track you will see the 350s in the open class matching the 500s.

 

contact me on +41774117882 Malc

[BPR]

you can not mod a 500 engine  to a 250 cost more than a new one to do ,already ask bellams, had a honda 250 round lynn crap ,get a carb which is sealed, and 24mm,not a 38mm like yours ben or did you say 40mm lol

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Quote Vince

 

As a tuner I can convert a 500cc speedway engine into a 250cc engine in the same way i convert 500s to 350s for the grass track. Ive got 2 250 gms for sale for ¢2500 + tax now and can convert existing gm and jawa motors for 600GBP but at the end of the season if you send me your motor back i can convert back to 500cc. But if its geared right it can be almost as quick as a 500 anyway. If you watch grass track you will see the 350s in the open class matching the 500s.

 

What was that u said lazy rider

[lazyrider]

proberly not let you use it in 250cc class as u would have a 350 head on it

Edited February 21, 2006 by lazyrider

[sCATygirl!]

Unfortunately having spent all our money on the 500cc we just do not have anything left to convert it and Jamie doesn't want to sell it. Also any money we now get is meant to be going towards a van, too darn expensive to keep hiring.

 

How is all this going to affect the Acadamy and also the U15 Championship?

 

Agree that it is the timing of it all that sucks, no thought or regard!!!

Edited February 22, 2006 by sCATygirl!

[toonarmy084]

Quote LAZYRIDER

 

proberly not let you use it in 250cc class as u would have a 350 head on it

 

 

 

It doesnt matter matter about the size of the head its the overall size of the engine. size of the cylinder and length of conrod etc etc.

 

My engines are legal and are used in poland and southern europe thats why i have 2 engines ready and can change from 500 to 350 and 250. The parts i use are made in slovenia and can be used in jawa or gm.

 

Are they going to allow 2 strokes to be used in the series then or do they have to be 4 stroke jawa engines or converted gm engines?

 

I personally think the clubs should each buy 3 or 4 bikes and let the under 15 riders use them for say 15GBP per rider per meeting then they get there money back and they are kept standard and it encourages more riders to try and parents dont get understandedly upset when some one decides 1 or 2 months before the season to change the rules when people are all setting up equipment ready to race.

[lazyrider]

from is being said 250 jawa engines if gm do 1 ,i would say it could be used, unless it is going to be a jawa comp only, ie as car racing do fomula ford .

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I personally think the clubs should each buy 3 or 4 bikes and let the under 15 riders use them for say 15GBP per rider per meeting then they get there money back and they are kept standard and it encourages more riders to try and parents dont get understandedly upset when some one decides 1 or 2 months before the season to change the rules when people are all setting up equipment ready to race.

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What a wonderful idea, but would they do it . It would certainly give the youngsters a chance and as you say would probably encourage more. Surely the kids of today are the champions of tomorrow, without them there will be no future Speedway.

[toonarmy084]

It works in both Sweden and Poland although they dont charge any money but they could even run prctices before the meetings and things and where permited at the weekends. Clubs can buy cheap bikes from riders at the end of the season without the engine or carbs and then rent them out.

 

If enough people bring up the subject with clubs, promotors or the bspa then maybe something could be done. How about applying for a grant from sport england or from the lottery commision to get the scheme started then maybe if enough money is raised supply one bike to each team in all 3 leagues.

 

What does the scb do with all the money it makes from permits every year, and its not as if its a tenner a season is it????

 

Gm do not make a 250 or 350 and will not make one.

[lazyrider]

even if the club got a engine at trade price ,iam shore the riders in that team could pull enough bits to make a bike up .i hunted around the work shop over winter and made a bike up hay got 4 know ,and no where to ride them, £12,000, in gear watt a sport, out with the golf clubs this summer,stripping them down 4 storage know

[lazyrider]

the ruling for 2006. if you did not have a 500cc permit in 2005 and you are under 14 you can not have a 500 untill you are 14 and over. and 2 letters from a training officers at a track.so its 250cc for all under 14s this year . you can not ride 5oos at training schools,they could have said at the begining of last year,so a lot of people have 500s and no where to ride them,i think it will turn a lot of kids to grass track,and away from speedway as the 250 engine is £1.680,and you could get a good 125 grass bike for that,

[rusky]

This is not something that will be unique to the UK. The various FMN's and their tecchnical teams having been talking about this for some time now, and it is an ongoing scenario. There are ongoing tests of these machines by the FNM's and their technical members.

There are very real concerns, from various FMN's that 2 stroke engines may well be banned soon on environmental grounds, and that something had to be done - the 250 was the most appropriate solution. Obviously there had been concerns about potential accidents, and the possible ramifications of that, for juniors on 500's.

As I understand it, this class is being taken up by the FIM, and my guess is that there will be a 250 championship of some description in the future.

As for expensive rule changes at short (if any) notice, welcome to the world of speedway from the other side of the fence. As you are no doubt aware, there has been major issues regading carburation regulations, which would have made over 80% of the carburettors in use in the GP series illegal, at a moments notice. You may have noticed that the results of the recent ice semi final in Inzell were not made official for several days, for this very reason.

[SCB]

Would it not have made more sense to say the ruling would be put in place on say 1st November 2006. Giving mums and dads a chance to do somthing about it?

[lazyrider]

should have started 2007,as you can not get a 250cc engine for 3 mths,and there is a waiting list

[Jayne]

Would just like to point out that this has not come about 4 weeks before the start of the season. We received official notification in December and it was certainly talked about prior to that. It may not seem ideal for some but there are a lot of concerns from various people from officials to medics regarding the youngsters on 500's.