norbold Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 I expect this is a bit of a long shot, but does anyone have the Eastbourne riders' averages from their Southern Area League and Metropolitan League days in the 50s and 60s? The only year I have is 1956, so I am missing 1954, 55, 57, 59 and 64. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussex bulldog Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Well I was there but don't have the info. You might try Sid Shine the stats man at www.elite-eagles.com If he has the info on file I am sure that he will help you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted January 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Thanks sb You mean you can't remember the result of every race you ever saw??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkstone Pirate Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 I take it you have all the scorers Norbold, these are available in Peter Morrish's book British Speedway Leagues, but not the averages. I have the S Stars for '64 if they are in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted January 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Yes, thanks, I have Peter Morrish's book, but it just gives the scores. It doesn't even say how many matches they rode in it so you could work it out yourself! I've also got all the 1964 Speedway Stars. I guess it's a trip up to the loft for that one then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkstone Pirate Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 I have some Stars from '59 and '60 so let me know if you want me to dig 'em out for the off chance of the 1959 averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted January 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Thanks PP. Yes, I would be grateful if you could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tape2tapevideo Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Are they not in the Stenners books? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussex bulldog Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Thanks sb You mean you can't remember the result of every race you ever saw??? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Can't remember what I did yesterday ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted January 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Are they not in the Stenners books? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The last Stenner's Annual was in 1954. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tape2tapevideo Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 The last Stenner's Annual was in 1954. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Twas indeed, but there was a simular book right upto the 60's Cant believe Sussex Bulldog was there then, blimey he must have known me for a few years now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Blimey Ken are you that old? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted January 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 (edited) Twas indeed, but there was a simular book right upto the 60's If you mean the Astorias' Annuals and the Five Star Annuals, yes there were, but only the 1957 Five Star Annual has Southern Area League averages, which is why I have the 1956 averages but still need the rest. Edited January 12, 2006 by norbold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tape2tapevideo Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Blimey Ken are you that old? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Fraid so missed out on retirement from this place by just a couple of months (early retirement that is!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkstone Pirate Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Sorry Norbold on searching the garage my continuous SS collection commences April 9th 1960, too late for the previous season reviews, and the odd '59 copies are of no use. Did you want the 1964 stats because I have all the Stars for that year? Fatal getting old mags. out however because you then spend hours looking at them. The April 9th copy had an article on a youthful Tommy Sweetman at home with his wife and son Chris , who was then 5 years of age. Tommy was aiming to make the most of his season with New Cross. Graham Warren was trying to re-establish himself with Coventry and Norwich and Ipswich both opened with crowds of 11,000. It was the first year of the new Provincial League and there was quite a bit of movement of riders from the National League. A full page advert for Johnnie Hoskins presenting Speedway 'The New Way' at New Cross on Wednesday April 13th 1960 New Cross v Norwich. NC: Split Waterman, Arne Carlsson, Eric Williams, Leo McAuliffe, Jimmy Gooch, Norwich: Ove Fundin, Aub Lawson, Billy Bales, Reg Trott, Dennis Newton. Admission 3/- and 5/- (and worth double!) Fascinating stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted January 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 It seems a bit of a cheek asking you to check the 1964 Speedway Stars, PP, as I do have them all myself in the loft! I would appreciate it but only if it's no bother to you. And could you stop reminding me about New Cross...it's bringing tears to my eyes. My first meeting was on 11 May 1960, New Cross v. Norwich as it happens.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkstone Pirate Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Norbold, after searching the garage, dug out the '64 SS's but infuriatingly I am missing copies between March and May29th. The league table published on August 7th shows E'bne having ridden 4 matches, winning 3. It seems, from later editions, that they rode their last match on August 2nd because they could not get a team together and so I think it was just 4 matches in total. I have details of 3, see below, and presumably their first was prior to May 29th. Sorry, looks like a trip to your loft to dig out those earlier issues. Ipswich (a) 7.6.64 32-40 Des Lukehurst 11 (5 rides), Geoff Pennikett 9(4),Ken Vale 5(4),Dave Still 4(4), C.Benham 2(3),John McAuliffe 1(1), D. O'Flynn 0(3). Newpool (h) 14.6.64 37-30 Vic Ridgeon 10(4), Lukehurst 9(4), John Dugard 8(4), O'Flynn 5(4), Brian Davies 4(4), R. Prodger 1(2), D. Longhorn 0(2). Ipsw (h) 28.6.64 41-31 Penniket 12(4), Ridgeon 11(4), Dugard 9(4), Lukehurst 6(4), O'Flynn 2(4), Still 1(3), P. Pittingale 0(1). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted January 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Thanks for doing that, PP. The ladder's up already! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussex bulldog Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Twas indeed, but there was a simular book right upto the 60's Cant believe Sussex Bulldog was there then, blimey he must have known me for a few years now! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes I was there but I used to get in through the woods and over the fence I was at Junior School just along the road. Had a long break after 1959 until 1973 or 1974 when I went when not working and returned again in 1988. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest speedyguy Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Norbold, after searching the garage, dug out the '64 SS's but infuriatingly I am missing copies between March and May29th. The league table published on August 7th shows E'bne having ridden 4 matches, winning 3. It seems, from later editions, that they rode their last match on August 2nd because they could not get a team together and so I think it was just 4 matches in total. I have details of 3, see below, and presumably their first was prior to May 29th. Sorry, looks like a trip to your loft to dig out those earlier issues. Ipswich (a) 7.6.64 32-40 Des Lukehurst 11 (5 rides), Geoff Pennikett 9(4),Ken Vale 5(4),Dave Still 4(4), C.Benham 2(3),John McAuliffe 1(1), D. O'Flynn 0(3). Newpool (h) 14.6.64 37-30 Vic Ridgeon 10(4), Lukehurst 9(4), John Dugard 8(4), O'Flynn 5(4), Brian Davies 4(4), R. Prodger 1(2), D. Longhorn 0(2). Ipsw (h) 28.6.64 41-31 Penniket 12(4), Ridgeon 11(4), Dugard 9(4), Lukehurst 6(4), O'Flynn 2(4), Still 1(3), P. Pittingale 0(1). <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But the Metropolitan Sunday League (later the Southern Area League) was between 1954 and 1959 - it missed one season. Eastbourne riders would have included Ray Terry, Steve Bole, Johnnie Fry, Maurice and Noel Conway, Bob Bunney, George Murrell, Frank Bettis, Bob Warner, Dave Freeborn, Johnny Gronow, Alan Brett, Wally and Harry Wilson, Dan English, Johnnie Dugard, with second-half trainees John Lalley, Al Holliday, John Hyam. Pete Rogers. I also think Ivan Mauger rode there in 1956! Sorry just remember them - no scoring records at all. I don't keep programmes or magazines any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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