The Third Man Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 it wasnt brought in to make matches closer it was brought in to save money promoters dont have to pay the no 1 to have another ride, saves a lot of money and this is the reason why it will stay. no matter how much the supporters dont it, no matter what other consequences of the rule there are, i.e. fans staying away all the promoters see is another way to save money at the fans expense, dont know why we bother sometimes must admit i have been watching for about 38 years and for a very simple sport the rules have always been complicated, but i must say they are more complicted now than ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south coast robin Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 The rule also deters newcomers that the sport needs to attract ... they see it as a bit micky-mouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJK86 Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 why cant speedway just be 7 v 7, no tacticals no nothing just 7 v 7 and see who builds the better team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwaynomad Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 As stated earlier it probably will be kept because it is a cost cutting exercise for the promoters, and Sky seem to like it. Personally I dislike it .I've seen my team benefit and lose through it and whatever the result I think it makes a mockery of the sport, and most new comers think it's a stupid rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 (edited) Don't know if it's been said, but I feel the GD kills a match dead. I feel there are more races being thrown as teams try to stay less than nine in front. Then when you do fall nine in arrears the fightback depends on what riders you have programmed before you use the GD. The old 6 points in arrears was best as a side could use more of its resources in an attempt to pull back. To me, the GD has tarnished speedway's image even further, plus it's crap. If the rule was brought in to save money, why bother with the heat 15 nominated race. We already see the same riders in heat 13. In fact, to save cash, go back to 13 heats. But that's another grumble. Edited September 30, 2006 by moxey63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where's Sverre Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Just about everybody seems to be very against the current TR/TS rule on the basis it is unfair to reward poorer teams with an opportunity to catch up. If this is the basis of all the disapproval then does it mean that everyone is also against the various forms of team limits applied each winter? After all, the points limit rule is also designed to stop good teams being too good and give the poorer teams more of a chance - and it has a much bigger and longer-lasting impact than allowing a team that has fallen behind the opportunity of a few extra points in a meeting. The enforced destruction of strong teams at the end of each year is at least as illogical to non-fans as the ability to get double points in a meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 What annoys me is the changing of the 3, 2, 1, 0. The old T/S was a much fairer way and you didn't have to award a rider double points just because he was wearing a different helmet colour. It was a level playing field for everyone. Perhaps a much better way than the Golden Double is to allow the side that does fall a certain amount of points in arrears to be able to name a rider from the leading team to go back on a handicap. I can't see the chosen riders being happy though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 Just about everybody seems to be very against the current TR/TS rule on the basis it is unfair to reward poorer teams with an opportunity to catch up. If this is the basis of all the disapproval then does it mean that everyone is also against the various forms of team limits applied each winter? After all, the points limit rule is also designed to stop good teams being too good and give the poorer teams more of a chance - and it has a much bigger and longer-lasting impact than allowing a team that has fallen behind the opportunity of a few extra points in a meeting. The enforced destruction of strong teams at the end of each year is at least as illogical to non-fans as the ability to get double points in a meeting. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> couldnt agree more, no points limits and get rid of the jokers and we might be on the way to a professional sport at last Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where's Sverre Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 The only problem is - if you get rid of the jokers, who will sit on the various governing bodies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 just a dream but we might some people with common sense and a common interest in taking the sport forward, if only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mckenna Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 i think the rule should be kept because it can work in favour for both teams. It makes the meetings closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 yes........yes.... and deffinetly yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skid row Posted November 1, 2006 Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 no..... no....definately no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted November 1, 2006 Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 no..... no....definately no <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think the tactical rule should be kept. Although i think it would be better if it was only used once Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skid row Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 I think the tactical rule should be kept. Although i think it would be better if it was only used once <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Once would be better but I would rather see it scrapped altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star ghost Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 I thought the Joker thing was started in the World Cup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goggles Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 I was so sick of the damage that this micky mouse tactical rubbish is doing to the credibility of the sport that I stopped going for about the last third of the 2006 season. I still think that the spectacle of good close racing is fantastic but I'm not prepared to pay good money to watch 'its a knockout'. I detest the play-offs too! bah hombug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick cast Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Noboby likes tactical replacement rides , unless your team are behind and your number 1 comes out and wins. Does it deter new spectators, there are so many other rules and regulations, ie heat leaders, reserves and riders averages. To make it difficult for newcomers unless they go with someone knows the answers. What else deters newcomers from coming again. Price of admission, speedway is generally cheaper than most Football teams, unless in lower leagues. Facilities, ie seating areas,refreshments, toilets, please note Eastbourne, they are cleaner now but you cant get in and out, either knock down the wall or widen it. So okay I've knocked it , but there are many things that are good, mostly the regular fans who even if you are sitting in thier favourite seat, will greet you and help you understand whats going on, and advise on where to go for refreshments and how to fill out the programme. My older brother first took me to speedway when i was about 7 or 8 years old, at the frying pan in New Cross. So what I hear you say, but if you have not been to see a live meeting recently, but rely on your news and views from the net. SEE IT LIVE, ITS STILL THE BEST INVESTMENT YOU CAN MAKE, WITHOUT LOSING YOUR INTEREST, THATS A PROMISE.GET COMMITTED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onceadon Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 I know I am in the minority but I think its good for speedway, and I simply can't believe that people stop going because of it. Surely we go for the excitement of seeing four lunatics roar round a track on bikes without brakes, and anything else is pretty irrelevant ? The tactical rule makes matches closer, and therefore more exciting still. That's why it should be there and why I had no problem with two rides per match and still don't. Each team will gain and lose by its presence over the season. What's more its not new. There's very little difference between the tactical rule and the old tactical substitute, which was in operation in the 1960's, which was applicable when a team was only 6 points behind and which was not subject to a limited number of uses. There were very few complaints about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev78 Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 I would rather go back to the old tactical substitute rule. At least there was something 'tactical' about that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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