FlyinRyan Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 not having a go or anything but say you were waiting to find out if you still had a job or not, no matter what the outcome wouldnt you want them to let you know? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Plus also BSI have used him for the last three seasons to make money, they could at least tell the guy he wasn't picked and the reason why. Very unprofessional imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 If Hans Andersen was to take out British citizenship in early September this year, theres a good chance that he would be in the GP series, now replacing Richardson as the 2nd Wild Card Brit. Why? Â If Hans becomes British, will you support him more than you do now? Or not dislike him as much? Â Will British companies fall for his fake nationallity? Â He has said he is changin Nationalities soley to ride in a GP, well thats not good enough for me. Id not want him riding for Team GB if he's only done it to get into the GP's and TBH, I'd not want him (or anyone else) to ride for GB even if they were doing it as they felt they were more British than thier original nationality. Â I can't see how changing nationality will get you into a GP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyinRyan Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 Why? If Hans becomes British, will you support him more than you do now? Or not dislike him as much?  Will British companies fall for his fake nationallity?  He has said he is changin Nationalities soley to ride in a GP, well thats not good enough for me. Id not want him riding for Team GB if he's only done it to get into the GP's and TBH, I'd not want him (or anyone else) to ride for GB even if they were doing it as they felt they were more British than thier original nationality.  I can't see how changing nationality will get you into a GP. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think he said he is considering it, he didn't say he was, but hey lets not pass up the opportunity of kicking the guy when he's down.....again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 I'm not kicking him while he's down. I don't liek him but I really don't think anyone could do any more than BSI have done. Â just pointing out, changin nationality would be a bit extreme and I can't see how it would work, he'll still be Hans Andersen and he'll still be Danish in all but name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony159 Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 Sure if Hans was to change nationality it would be .......... Â to Sweden ......... Â Think he has always had a soft spot for them . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 And you of course lose any rights you may have to be included if you finish outside the Top 8. It doesn't matter how close he was to 8th place, he didn't make it so has no argument. Maybe he has had his chance and should not get another one The only issue is that the reinstatement of Lee Richardson is again a joke, he has now failed to make it 3 times by right and should not be in the GP's. He has had 2 decent GP's in 3 years and that isn't enough to warrant his inclusion, he if course also went backwards in his scoring last season. <{POST_SNAPBACK}>  Lee is in there virtue of his nationality and nothing else, which is probably part of what Hans is complaining about.  The thing is, though, if Lee wasn't in the GP there would only be one British rider, as he is still more deserving than any other British rider at the moment. As long as there is no qualifying system then this is the kind of decision that will be made.  It is no surprise to see Zagar in the GP, but in reality is he any more worthy of inclusion than someone like, for example, Simon Stead who, in my eyes, is a year ahead of Zagar developement wise. Yet, Steady being British, he's not even close.  If Zagar were British, or Danish for that matter, he'd be nowhere near to being in the GP. If Simon Stead was Slovenian he'd be as big a name as Zagar Worldwide and be in next year's GP.  There simply HAS to be a proper qualifying system. Top 8 in for next year - fine, I wouldn't argue with that. The rest have to be in there through qualification. There's no other way that makes this a valid series. Ivan Mauger is right once again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Brown Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 (edited) Lee is in there virtue of his nationality and nothing else, which is probably part of what Hans is complaining about. The thing is, though, if Lee wasn't in the GP there would only be one British rider, as he is still more deserving than any other British rider at the moment. As long as there is no qualifying system then this is the kind of decision that will be made.  It is no surprise to see Zagar in the GP, but in reality is he any more worthy of inclusion than someone like, for example, Simon Stead who, in my eyes, is a year ahead of Zagar developement wise. Yet, Steady being British, he's not even close.  If Zagar were British, or Danish for that matter, he'd be nowhere near to being in the GP. If Simon Stead was Slovenian he'd be as big a name as Zagar Worldwide and be in next year's GP.  There simply HAS to be a proper qualifying system. Top 8 in for next year - fine, I wouldn't argue with that. The rest have to be in there through qualification. There's no other way that makes this a valid series. Ivan Mauger is right once again. <{POST_SNAPBACK}>  Spot on Grachan.  The cynic in me says that with BSI supposedly taking over at Reading they currently have a tool to entice riders, what chance Zagar now stay with Reading and is joined by Niels Kristian Iversen in 2006 Edited October 30, 2005 by Chris Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinstripe Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 This is rubbish. Â The bottom line is Iversen, Zagar and Pepe have been chosen through no fault of their own. I personally think Iversen and Zagar will prove a lot of people wrong. No idea on Pepe, howver he was hardly impressive last time he rode GP's. Â Why Richardson is still in I do not know. Been in two or three years and barring one GP he has been totally crap. Wow he is British. Who gives a stuff? Richardson will not get better, he has reached his peak and will have another embarrasing year like 2004 and 2005. Â Nicholls was a fair bit better than Richardson and at least he provides some excitement. Richardson has to be the most boring rider in the series, as I feel the two new boys in Iversen and Zagar will show some thrilling racing as they both have shown in their wildcard meetings. Â I just cant wait for Subedei to be posting on here this time next year when both Iversen and Zagar are ahead of Richardson in the standings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupus Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 Lee is in there virtue of his nationality and nothing else, which is probably part of what Hans is complaining about. The thing is, though, if Lee wasn't in the GP there would only be one British rider, as he is still more deserving than any other British rider at the moment. As long as there is no qualifying system then this is the kind of decision that will be made.  It is no surprise to see Zagar in the GP, but in reality is he any more worthy of inclusion than someone like, for example, Simon Stead who, in my eyes, is a year ahead of Zagar developement wise. Yet, Steady being British, he's not even close.  If Zagar were British, or Danish for that matter, he'd be nowhere near to being in the GP. If Simon Stead was Slovenian he'd be as big a name as Zagar Worldwide and be in next year's GP.  There simply HAS to be a proper qualifying system. Top 8 in for next year - fine, I wouldn't argue with that. The rest have to be in there through qualification. There's no other way that makes this a valid series. Ivan Mauger is right once again. <{POST_SNAPBACK}>  Absolutley spot on Grachan! Hans has every right to feel aggrieved - he's been shafted big time, mainly so that Olsen's latest 'protege' Iversen can have a place! It really stinks.  The powers that be muct think we all came down in the last shower! Let's look at the facts....  Richardson finished 13th - and was poor at best last year - but he gets a place by virute of the fact that he's British!  Nicholls - see Richardson - except he was slightly better!  Lindback gets a spot because - and let's be brutily honest here - the 'race' thing is a great selling point for BSI and the relevant sponsors  Hampel - Probably deserves a place but being Polish certainly helped his cause!  Pepe - See Hampel - except he probably DOESN'T deserve a spot!  Iversen - In because Olsen says so!  Zagar - In because he's Slovenian! With there being a Slovenia GP again next year, they need somehing to sell the tickets! Sorry but he may well be a good rider in the future but he's not even had the sphrerical objects to ride in the EL yet!!!! Also the BSI/Reading link is far to obvious to ignore!  So there you have it - Hans is better than at least 6 of those riders if not more. Sadly he obviously got the floowing against him  1. Not British 2. Not Black 3. Not Polish 4. Not the only rider from some obscure Eastern European country which has a GP 5. Not best buddies with Ole/Jacob Olsen 6. Not riding for a BSI owned club in the EL.  Sorry Hans but you've missed out this time due to good old fashioned nepotism!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 (edited) Richardson finished 13th - and was poor at best last year - but he gets a place by virute of the fact that he's British!  Bang on.  Nicholls - see Richardson - except he was slightly better!  Almost bang on, but since Richardson managed a final and Nicholls didn't, you can argue about which was worse. Neither deserves to be there.  Lindback gets a spot because - and let's be brutally honest here - the 'race' thing is a great selling point for BSI and the relevant sponsors.  Personally, I don't believe skin colour entered the equation. Lindback impressed early on and made finals.  Hampel - Probably deserves a place but being Polish certainly helped his cause!  Personally, I don't believe being Polish helped Hampel. It's not as if the Poles don't have other options. Kasprzak and Kolodziej being prime examples. Hampel's there because he made finals, finished 2nd at Cardiff and missed 3 GPs through injury. He couldn't not be nominated.  Pepe - See Hampel - except he probably DOESN'T deserve a spot!  Again the Poles have other options, but PePe has powerful backing from a sponsor. Also, after a decent showing at Bydgoszcz, PePe might deserve a last chance. I'd have gone for Kolodziej, but PePe got the nod.  Iversen - In because Olsen says so!  You're probably not far wrong. Apart from which, maybe BSI feel the need for every season to have it's very own "Chrzanowski".  Zagar - In because he's Slovenian!  With there being a Slovenia GP again next year, they need somehing to sell the tickets! Sorry but he may well be a good rider in the future but he's not even had the sphrerical objects to ride in the EL yet!!!! Also the BSI/Reading link is far to obvious to ignore!  Probably a whole host of reasons Zagar has been chosen and you've listed a few of them there. But he did finish 3rd in a GP this season. And that's a whole lot better than Nicholls. Edited October 30, 2005 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shale Eater Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 (edited) As a lot of you have said, Zagar is in because of the Slovenian GP and Pepe is in because he has big sponsership. Iversen, IMO is a strange decision, probably coming in a year too early. Andersen will be back in 2007, possibly as Rickardsson's 'replacement'. This year the battle for the top will be the usual suspects while the battle for last will be between Iversen, Protasiewicz, Richardson and Zagar. Edited October 30, 2005 by Shale Eater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzman Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 Andersen I wouldn't support if he was British, I'm one of the ones who think he did do some naughty at Poole in WTC final. But he would of got a place in the SGP series, Holta got a place in the World Cup by changing to be Polish but earlier in the season he got a Wild Card at Eskilstuna, why? he's Norwegian. Â Â A decent rider (i.e. Adam Shields) could change to Italian citizenship and BSI would consider him because of his attractive commerical position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highside Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 I think the GP is turning into a joke,riders dont get in on merit its if your face fits. i thought it was for the WORLDS best not who Olsen wants in,bring back the propper world final . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 I think the GP is turning into a joke,riders dont get in on merit its if your face fits. With no qualifying it certainly is and the only way for fans to let BSI know how they feel is to boycott the events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highside Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Who will BSI&Olsen invite next when Rickardson calls it a day ,the way i see it a presant there is not a real world champ with the invitation not qualifying farse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robpeasley Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Blimey, Â Is all the boohooing for poor Hans Andersen stilll going on?? Â Just face it... he wasn't good enough. Â He had to be seeded into both the 2004 & 2005 GP series, surely no-one can condone the same rider being seeded in three years running. Â Iversen will do a better job... mark my words. Â All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyinRyan Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Iversen will do a better job... mark my words. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah and I'm gonna win the lottery this week. Get real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Just face it... he wasn't good enough. He had to be seeded into both the 2004 & 2005 GP series, surely no-one can condone the same rider being seeded in three years running.  There would be no "boohooing" if Andersen had been dealt with fairly. But manifestly he hasn't. I agree with you that he doesn't deserve to be in the circus, but he's not the only one. There are others already nominated with less reason to be in the GPs than Andersen. Andersen's won a GP, that's more than can be said for Messrs Nicholls and Richardson. He made more semis in 2005 than Nicholls and Richardson, he made more finals in 2005 than Nicholls and Richardson combined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robpeasley Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Subedei, Â But Scott Nicholls has finished in the top eight in the world (2003), whereas Hans Andersen never has. Scott is a current national champion. And, most importantly, Scott finished a clear three places above Andersen in the 2005 GP series. Â Lee Richardson is a different matter entirely, although I'm not surprised by his inclusion and indeed predicted it (only Protasiewicz getting in insead of Kasprzak stopped me from getting it spot on). Â Hans Andersen finished 12th out of 15 in 2005. How on earth can anyone justify that he should go back in?? There should be at least 3 to 4 fresh faces in the GP series each year, otherwise it becomes a closed shop. Â All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 (edited) And, most importantly, Scott finished a clear three places above Andersen in the 2005 GP series. Â And Hans Andersen finished a clear three places ahead of Scott Nicholls in the 2004 GP series. And, most importantly, Andersen's WON a GP, while Nicholls never has. Â Lee Richardson is a different matter entirely, although I'm not surprised by his inclusion and indeed predicted it (only Protasiewicz getting in insead of Kasprzak stopped me from getting it spot on). Â If Richardson (and Nicholls) are included, then by any FAIR means Andersen has to be included. I can't see Iversen doing anything. In my view, he's the Chrzanowski of 2006. But we'll have to wait and see who's right and who's wrong. Edited October 31, 2005 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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