Subedei Posted October 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 And I would have to say that you are seriously missing out if you "boycott" Cardiff on principle - regardless of who organises and markets it, it is a fantastic day out and one which shouldn't be missed by any speedway fan who is able to get there. Principles sometimes require sacrifice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button moon Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 (edited) Idiot? I hope your not referring to me. If you try re-reading my post before gobbing off in such a childish manner you may realise I am talking about his comments, not his actions. Hans mouth has got him in to bother on more than one occasion. How many times has he sworn when being interviewed during an EL match? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> you were talking about his comments and not his actions? he stayed down to get a re-run just like many others do but he has the balls to admit it on tv whats wrong with that? and yes i was refering to you, who else did you think i was talking about while replying to YOUR post, santa claus? Edited October 26, 2005 by button moon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Cyclops Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 A friend of someone i know think bsi have lost two sponsors already by dropping him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanzilla Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 A friend of someone i know think bsi have lost two sponsors already by dropping him. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But how many have they gained..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff. Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 90000 at Wembley, granted, but that was back in the days when speedway was second only to football in terms of spectator numbers. In case you hadn't noticed its become a bit of a minority sport since then, and had it not been for BSI we would probably still have the British GP at second rate stadia like we have to put up with for our Elite league racing, rather than the Millenium stadium. Like it or not BSI are slowly turning this sport round, the sooner they start getting into league racing the better as far as I am concerned.Guess you will be finding a new sport soon then. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 90,000 plus crowds only happened 3 times at Wembley (1949,50 & 51) Despite the myth that has developed over the years they were the only 3 years of a sell out Wembley. Even the Penhall final of 81 was watched by only 72,000 although a lot of quarters quote 90,000 plus for that one. Some of the late fifties finals were held in front of only 50,000 crowds so in that context 40,000 at Cardiff isnt too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 90,000 plus crowds only happened 3 times at Wembley (1949,50 & 51) Despite the myth that has developed over the years they were the only 3 years of a sell out Wembley. Even the Penhall final of 81 was watched by only 72,000 although a lot of quarters quote 90,000 plus for that one. Some of the late fifties finals were held in front of only 50,000 crowds so in that context 40,000 at Cardiff isnt too bad. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> TBH the British GP is a well attended sporting event. In modern times with the exception of Football, Rugby, the National and other big Horse racing events and maybe the F1 GP the Speedway GP in cardiff is one of the best attended events national events, particularly given that it is considered a minority sport. Most stadiums nowadays are vastly reduced in capacity terms, there is no stadium in this country that can even house 90,000 The largest stadium in capacity terms the UK is currently the Millenium (72,500?), altho Old Trafford runs it close. I enjoy my annual trip to the GP and feel speedway, despite all it's shall we shall oddities, is in better shape than it was when i first started watching in 1987. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 The largest stadium in capacity terms the UK is currently the Millenium (72,500?), altho Old Trafford runs it close. Twickenham currently holds around 75,000 and will increase to 82,000 when the South Stand is re-developed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 Opps many thanks my mongol chum! Forgot about twickers Bahhh bit of a faux pas bering the no of times i have been there, still whats 2,500 between chums eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 A friend of someone i know think bsi have lost two sponsors already by dropping him. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Who's that the know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzman Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 If Hans Andersen was to take out British citizenship in early September this year, theres a good chance that he would be in the GP series, now replacing Richardson as the 2nd Wild Card Brit. Secondly a major probelm now there is only 16 riders within the GP means that the top 8 effectively becomes the top 10 to qualify for next year's circus. As the wild cards who just missed out are bound to get a spot. The only way to retain the Gp series in its current format is to do 1-6th qualified automatically, 7th-12th into a GP challenge, 13th to 15th Out of the competition. The qualify series would run with 4 quarters, 2 semis, a final with the top 3 riders (get places), grand final challenge with top 4 go in through, that allows 13 riders available, then the next places will be made up of wild cards which can be issued through injury or good international form across all 3 leagues. This way covers all option. The qualifying system can only work however if the cream of the crop take part. Probably best 6 riders from Britain, Poland and Sweden. Top 4 from Denmark, Czech Republic, Australia. Thats 30 riders. Top 3 from United States, Slovenia, Italy, Germany, Russia. Thats 42. 22 more riders needed these can be from minority counties. Others idea for the qualifying system is that to be 12-rider invidiual meetings till the grand final. It means a more stronger, more competitive meeting despite the lesser of a meeting. Any feedback? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 Of course, one of the top 8 from next season will not be around in 2007 anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjoe Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 (edited) how can someone who finished 15th ( i think ) be chosen for the gp's and a rider who misses out on qualifying by 8 points not be chosen. i know its ifs and buts however he only missed out because of scoring about 3 points in the opening round. Hans had proved himself capable of winning gps, something which the two brits failed have failed to do. I may be stretching things to far but is this not discrimination? he is theoretically better qualified than both nicholls and richardson. Edited October 28, 2005 by superjoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 how can someone who finished 15th ( i think ) be chosen for the gp's and a rider who misses out on qualifying by 8 points not be chosen. Chrzanowski finished 15th, Richardson probably 13th ahead of Sullivan and Chrzanowski. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjoe Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 (edited) Chrzanowski finished 15th, Richardson probably 13th ahead of Sullivan and Chrzanowski. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> cheers, me being stupid again seeing as there were only 15 permanent riders, the point still stands though Edited October 28, 2005 by superjoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebay gum Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 cheers, me being stupid again seeing as there were only 15 permanent riders, the point still stands though <{POST_SNAPBACK}> some people would also go as far as saying its corruption? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 Ive never been a fan of Hans Andersen, however in the GPs you want riders that can challenge the top guys on a regular basis during the qualification races and provide a bit of excitement and that is something that Hans can provide. Yes we know its a commercial decision nowadays, but would Puk bring more fans in to the Danish GP next year than Hans - i doubt it very much. But the one part that makes me laugh is when Hans says that he found out from a website. As it stood Hans wasnt in the GP for next year, so why would they need to ring him. He hasnt qualified for 2006, he was possibly going to be selected for a wild card. No point ringing someone who isnt included Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjoe Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 No point ringing someone who isnt included <{POST_SNAPBACK}> not having a go or anything but say you were waiting to find out if you still had a job or not, no matter what the outcome wouldnt you want them to let you know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 fair point superjoe. However - because he isnt in the Grand Prix next year doesnt mean that Hans Andersen will not ride speedway next year. He will still quite possibly have 3 or 4 jobs England Sweden Poland Denmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 Andersen must've known he was in trouble when the first 4 were announced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Brown Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 Andersen must've known he was in trouble when the first 4 were announced. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And you of course lose any rights you may have to be included if you finish outside the Top 8. It doesn't matter how close he was to 8th place, he didn't make it so has no argument. Maybe he has had his chance and should not get another one The only issue is that the reinstatement of Lee Richardson is again a joke, he has now failed to make it 3 times by right and should not be in the GP's. He has had 2 decent GP's in 3 years and that isn't enough to warrant his inclusion, he if course also went backwards in his scoring last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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