pirate paul Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 And 90,000 went to world finals at Wembley.Mighty impressive to get 40,000 people into an 80,000 seater stadium. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 90000 at Wembley, granted, but that was back in the days when speedway was second only to football in terms of spectator numbers. In case you hadn't noticed its become a bit of a minority sport since then, and had it not been for BSI we would probably still have the British GP at second rate stadia like we have to put up with for our Elite league racing, rather than the Millenium stadium. Like it or not BSI are slowly turning this sport round, the sooner they start getting into league racing the better as far as I am concerned. Personally, I wouldn't walk to the end of my garden to watch anything tainted with BSI involvement. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Guess you will be finding a new sport soon then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 90000 at Wembley, granted, but that was back in the days when speedway was second only to football in terms of spectator numbers. It was, in fact, horse racing (not football) and speedway was getting 90,000 at Wembley a long time after that ceased to be the case. BSI hasn't "sold" the sport to anyone, just relied on the already converted. Guess you will be finding a new sport soon then. No, just continue looking to the east where the sport still has integrity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony159 Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 It was, in fact, horse racing (not football) and speedway was getting 90,000 at Wembley a long time after that ceased to be the case.BSI hasn't "sold" the sport to anyone, just relied on the already converted. No, just continue looking to the east where the sport still has integrity. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> East of ............. Mongolia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirate paul Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 It was, in fact, horse racing (not football) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh big bloody deal, you knew exactly the point I was making. This need you have to constantly put people right over the slightest thing is really getting boring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richtea Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 You can't prove it. And what about Nicholls and the mysterious "red light" that only he saw? That's what cost you the SWC, not Andersen. Andersen's just a scapegoat to mask a deficient team. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Have you taken Polish nationality as well now? Try and show a little support for the British please As to East and integrity - I hope you dont mean Poland or maybe Povazhny, Smith and Holta really are all Polish Poland is just as corrupt as the UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Like it or not, Rune Holta has taken Polish citizenship. The other two ride on Polish licences. Did you know David Soul, famously "Hutch" in Starsky and Hutch, is now a fully fledged British citizen? It happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Personally, I wouldn't walk to the end of my garden to watch anything tainted with BSI involvement. Not even the Polish GP Subedei? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tone deaf Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 No one can deny that Richardson had a great World Cup, and reached one GP final. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Fair enough but Hans was Denmarks best rider in the SWC & also reached a GP final. He has also won a GP the previous year, unlike Richardson (not to mention certain others who received wild cards). Its blatantly unfair that decisions are made for commercial reasons instead of based on riders' ability. As for those sad people who keep bringing up the 2004 SWC...get over it! The fact is the Brits would have won it if they were good enough & as has been mentioned, Scotty would not have passed PK anyway. End of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-D Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Fair enough but Hans was Denmarks best rider in the SWC & also reached a GP final. He has also won a GP the previous year, unlike Richardson (not to mention certain others who received wild cards). Its blatantly unfair that decisions are made for commercial reasons instead of based on riders' ability. As for those sad people who keep bringing up the 2004 SWC...get over it! The fact is the Brits would have won it if they were good enough & as has been mentioned, Scotty would not have passed PK anyway. End of story. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree Hans should have been included but i believe like Jesper Jensen he is not a golden boy in the Danish set up and they pushed for Iversen instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 How would they qualify? There's apparently no qualification mechanism other than arcane selection in a closed room, presumably by Ole and his BSI cronies! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Did you really ask that? How would they qualify hmmmmmmmmm let me think I know how about getting in the top 8 to start with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatface Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 I do feel sorry for Hans. There is little doubt he is among the top 16 riders in the world and is a rider I would certainly pay to see. He's hard, controversial, but undoubtedly talented. Despite some of the tosh written above about BSI not getting their marketing right, I think they have done a cracking job for the sport in recent years. I would estimate over 150,000 people paid to see World Championship Speedway last year - and i didn't think I'd be saying that in the early 90s! But I think they have missed a trick here... Hans Andersen is one of the most marketable riders out there and I for one, will miss his presence in next year's series... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Let's just hope, if there is a long term injury to one of the selected, Andesen gets to take over the place while the injured rider is out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beauty Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Let's just hope, if there is a long term injury to one of the selected, Andesen gets to take over the place while the injured rider is out. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> can't believe i'm reading this!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richtea Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Like it or not, Rune Holta has taken Polish citizenship. The other two ride on Polish licences.Did you know David Soul, famously "Hutch" in Starsky and Hutch, is now a fully fledged British citizen? It happens. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was expecting better of you - your basically saying that it happens so nothing to worry about it. It happens that BSI have control over the GP circus and they pick the riders who get through Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 can't believe i'm reading this!!!!!!!!!!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Everyone knows that Steve would NEVER wish an injury on any rider, you've read that one wrongly Beauty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
covbees7 Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 i think that the gp,s will not be the same without the andersens of this world after wc 2004 am not a fan of his however he is certainly one of the best 16 riders in the world yet another example of speedway putting a bullet in its own bottom of the leg thingy!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansfan Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Idiot? I hope your not referring to me. If you try re-reading my post before gobbing off in such a childish manner you may realise I am talking about his comments, not his actions. Hans mouth has got him in to bother on more than one occasion. How many times has he sworn when being interviewed during an EL match? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I WISH!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 (edited) I was expecting better of you - your basically saying that it happens so nothing to worry about it. It happens that BSI have control over the GP circus and they pick the riders who get through Well, let's see if I can manage something better this time. The FIM control the GP series and not BSI. BSI are the commercial rights holders and nothing more. However, the riders allocated permanent wild card entries to the circus for 2006 (specifically the failing Nicholls and Richardson) illustrates that BSI have trampled over the boundaries of what should be their territory. And the FIM has allowed it to happen. I don't happen to think Hans Andersen deserves to be in the series for 2006. But if he's excluded then Nicholls and Richardson should also be excluded. How many times has he sworn when being interviewed during an EL match? Probably about the same number of times Nicholls has. And Nicholls doesn't even have the excuse of being foreign. Edited October 26, 2005 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robyn1972 Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Thing is though Sube, aren't you now saying that BSI and the FIM are as corrupt as one another? If the FIM allowed BSi too much involvement and thus the selection process suffered as a result, then the FIM are as much to blame, if not more so, than BSI, in my book. And I would have to say that you are seriously missing out if you "boycott" Cardiff on principle - regardless of who organises and markets it, it is a fantastic day out and one which shouldn't be missed by any speedway fan who is able to get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 (edited) You are correct, the FIM is BSI's streetwalker. But it's not as if I've suddenly changed my tune. I wrote the following in a thread in the International section: But with the FIM, under the malign influence of BSI, making a mockery of the GP series, if the EUM can get a head of steam up with this competition it could be the start of a power-shift in speedway. A decent sponsorship package that'd bring in the top stars in the world would get the FIM and their pimps BSI worried. The FIM and BSI are making a joke of the GPs and opening the door to a competition with values and integrity. Edited October 26, 2005 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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