Robbobee Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Hans Andersen not being in the 2006 Grand Prix series is an APALLING DECISION by whoever made it ! The guy may not be everyones favourite but he should be riding because ... a) he is good enough he is a better rider than half of those that are in the GP's already c) he is exciting to watch - even if he is not everybody's favourite Maybe he should become an Italian for next year and that way make sure he gets in .... GP series is supposed to be the best riders .... somebody should tell the peeps that pick 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button moon Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Serves him right, maybe he will think twice before admitting to taking a dive on live tv in future. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> yeah cos nobody else does it to get a re-run do they idiot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Bee Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Yes Hans should be in the GP, but in place of pepe + not puk. Iversen + Andersen are the sort of riders you need in the g.p's to add a bit of flare. Don't quite know what BSI are doing putting in someone with 'ongoing back problems' either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masked_rooster Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 it would be nice to hear a detailed statement from bsi regarding these choices. you can see theyve gone with youth choosing niels and matej, pepe must surely be for polish sponsors! maybe hans has had too many chances not qualifying through the top eight but that could be said of a few of the other wild cards.still eveytime you look at it you cant understand why he hans was omitted.what would the choices had been if ryan sullivan was fit and had a super season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brightonbob Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 You can't prove it. And what about Nicholls and the mysterious "red light" that only he saw? That's what cost you the SWC, not Andersen. Andersen's just a scapegoat to mask a deficient team. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh please.... I can't prove their isn't a santa clause either. You want to be an apologist for a scandinavian stitch-up - good luck to you. How big a shot in the arm would every club have had last season off the back of a SWC success? How much more exposure, turnover and crowd numbers might we all have enjoyed? So, lets all feel sorry for Hans. Pass me a bucket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Bee Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Erm... So do you actually think Scott would have beaten PK in that race ? Me thinks you need to get over it, the lads a talent + it's unjust he isn't in the g.p's. Wonder what you would say if Andersen was world number 4 and Nicki needed seeding yet was not put in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzybird Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Does Hans really expect sympathy from the British fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baz brush Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Andersen has a lot of talent of that there is no dispute, but saying that Maradonna had a lot of talent and he was also a cheat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight_Lady Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Serves him right, maybe he will think twice before admitting to taking a dive on live tv in future. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not that you are bitter and twisted eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Have to agree with some on here who say that Hans has been hard done by. He should definately have got the nod over all three wildcards named this week. Better than all of them. If I was in his shoes I would be absolutely fuming and upset at the decision. It's not right at al, regardless of the fact that "what goes around comes around". Yes, it can be sweet for some that he misses out, and is some form of retribution for his antics in the SWC 2004. But for BSI to leave him out of Iversen and Zagar is a crazy decision. Pepe got in through his sponsors, I am sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Witch Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Am I the only one who wants to see the best 16 riders in a GP? Its not a case of I want this rider because I like him more than that rider even if he's not as good ! Or that rider allegedly cheated over 15 months ago and we have to ensure he spends the rest of his life paying for it! Jeez, grow up! This series needs to be sorted out big time. Why on earth do only 8 riders have to qualify? A maximum of 2 wild cards is enough...after this year Jarek Hampel imo is the only rider who justifiably gets a place for 2006. Bring back a different version of the GP challenge, run it mid to late September after the series has finished, include the 8 non qualifiers and choose 8 wild cards for this meeting on merit. Or is that too sensible! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Snackette Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 I don't think for one second that anyone would suggest that Richardson deserves his place on merit, but it's just a commercial fact of life. Accepting that this is business, and one needs to take this into account the decision to axe Andersen was logical. There is a need to freshen up the series. To bring in Iversen or Bjerre is a positive move and it's what the Danes wanted. In real terms Zagar replaces Flying Ryan, Pepe replaces Tomasz Chrzanowski, and a young Dane replaces a slightly older one. Andersen has only one person to blame for his non inclusion and that's himself. Had he finished in the Top 8 he would have qualified as of right, but he didn't of course, and he finished 12th. So for him to say that he meets the criteria, is clearly wrong. The fact that he may on paper be regarded as a better rider than those nominated is irrelevant. As he finished outside the Top 8 he failed to qualify, and therefore his destiny was now in the hands of others. If they choose to freshen it up then good on 'em. As an aside it's interesting to note that Scott Nicholls and Lee Richardson the no hope Brits who turned out for their clubs the Thursday before the Bydgoszcz GP, have been included. Perhaps loyalty in the end does earn it's reward!!! I'm glad that the debate is continuing on this Forum as over on the Witches Forum we have told to move on, as we ( and me in particular) appear "stuck into the groove". I certainly don't want to fall foul of the new "Trolley Bus" regs!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Am I the only one who wants to see the best 16 riders in a GP? Its not a case of I want this rider because I like him more than that rider even if he's not as good ! Or that rider allegedly cheated over 15 months ago and we have to ensure he spends the rest of his life paying for it! Jeez, grow up! This series needs to be sorted out big time. Why on earth do only 8 riders have to qualify? A maximum of 2 wild cards is enough...after this year Jarek Hampel imo is the only rider who justifiably gets a place for 2006. Bring back a different version of the GP challenge, run it mid to late September after the series has finished, include the 8 non qualifiers and choose 8 wild cards for this meeting on merit. Or is that too sensible! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Far too sensible LW. And I couldn't agree more. Think the GP is nowhere near a representation of the world's top 16 riders whilst the likes of Peter Karlsson, Holta and now Hans sit it out. Sporting politics and commercialism have taken over I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Hey ho, intersting point about the GP challenge though, run it along the same lines as the gp, very good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Snackette Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 .............Think the GP is nowhere near a representation of the world's top 16 riders whilst the likes of Peter Karlsson, Holta and now Hans sit it out..............<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Whilst I would concede that the Pre GP World Championship, at least provided the opportunity for any rider to be crowned world champ, it was rarity, if ever, that the Final itself had the best 16 riders on show. Certainly the talk of reintroducing the GP Challenge should be encouraged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 I'd agree Mr S but the great thing about the GPs was that it could, if done correctly have the top 16 on show by putting the top guys in and not basing the wildcards on commercial decisions and whose face fits. Once you start making selections that way, as we've seen, someone deserving misses out and those being ushered in raise question marks. If you had to name a line-up of the world's top 16 riders I wonder how different it would look to that named for the series next year. i can think of at least 3 or 4 changes to start with! And yes, the GP Challenge should be back. No question about it. And make the national championships something worth being in with qualification through that route as it used to be. Whilst I've no wish to go back to the old one-off world final, there were some good points about the qualification system as long as everyone starts from the lower rounds and we didn't end up with a situation that kept seeing Andy Smith back in year after year simply because he only needed to put together 3 decent rides in the challenge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 but i must agree that he deserves to get the nod in front of all 3 of these last wild card selections. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'd say Hans should be in above all the nominated apart from Nicholls Speedway GP, F1, Moto Gp, WSB etc are all about internal politics and not the best at the job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 So for him to say that he meets the criteria, is clearly wrong. The fact that he may on paper be regarded as a better rider than those nominated is irrelevant. As he finished outside the Top 8 he failed to qualify, and therefore his destiny was now in the hands of others. If they choose to freshen it up then good on 'em. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I thought the world championship was supposed to be contested by the best fit and available riders? This is a complete farce of a selection process. If they wanted to freshen up the process, the only way to do it is for ALL places to be contested in qualification meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racer X Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 I thought the world championship was supposed to be contested by the best fit and available riders? This is a complete farce of a selection process. If they wanted to freshen up the process, the only way to do it is for ALL places to be contested in qualification meetings. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> An off night in a qualifying round could feasibly deprive the GPs of a Crump, Rickardsson or Pedersen - would anyone really want that? The qualifying rounds staged in the past have also thrown up some strange names (stranger than Protasiewicz I would argue!)- what a stink there would have been last year if BSI had nominated Tomasz Chrzanowski - so these sort of round are not some sort of magical panacea people seem to think they are. Also I see folks are noe suggesting some sort of GP challenge meeting be held in September - so the most important meeting of the year around the time of the play offs? Think on there, I would suggest.....although I would think this is favourite to return but it could have serious implications for the EL... The selection process in not ideal but a knock out / qualification method also has its drawbacks and should not apply to the top 8 or so riders in the competition in my view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Quite funny for all the rights and wrongs every fan thinks that you should have a chance to race for the right to get into the gp everyone in fact bar the saps who run the show . Speedway has never been run by anyone with any common sense hence why it can't get any new fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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