Zagar To The Gp 2006!

[Subedei]

IMO he [Andersen] has had a chance and should move over for someone else.

 

But he's not the only one, is he? I can think of two others who've had a chance and should be kicked aside.

[Joester]

If the BSI are saying that the problem with the qualification rounds are that riders like Tomasz Chrzanowski can get through into the Grand Prix's, why did they give riders like him a chance to qualify for the GP's?? Why don't they only give GP quality riders a chance

[Mylor]

If the BSI are saying that the problem with the qualification rounds are that riders like Tomasz Chrzanowski can get through into the Grand Prix's, why did they give riders like him a chance to qualify for the GP's?? Why don't they only give GP quality riders a chance

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Very sensible idea Joester!

 

BSI,

 

Can we have a GP Challenge meeting with the bottom 8 from the GP's and 8 nominees? Even better, an extra meeting where 16 nominees to battle it out for 8 places in the GP Challenge. The nominees could qualify on their league averages?

 

I like Matej but I think he'd have found it difficult to qualify under a scheme like this as a PL rider. You really must pit yourself against the best week in, week out to stand a chance.

Edited October 24, 2005 by Mylor

[Mylor]

.........I mean what kind of competition allows for 8 riders to automatically qualify for nextyear, with the 7 remaining places going to riders hand selected by the board?

Should we examine the world's premier motor sports series for a second? Nobody ever qualifies for F1 and a goodly number actually pay to be included!!

[KevH]

Iversen's selection baffle me - surely the Danes would pick Andersen before Iversen?

The GP they both rode in Andersen scored 8 points to Iversen's 7. Maybe they think Iversen will spice things up more than Andersen?

 

That said, in 2004 Niels scored 13 points to Hans' 7.

 

I do agree though, that it's a travesty than Hans has been left out.

[Jimmy D]

Should we examine the world's premier motor sports series for a second? Nobody ever qualifies for F1 and a goodly number actually pay to be included!! 

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Thats only because there are 10 teams in the championship which amounts to 20 drivers. If you've been watching formula1 as long as i have then you'll remember around 12 years ago there were 26 places for the cars on the grid, yet 34 drivers (17 teams) turned up each GP weekend looking to qualify. They had to get within 107% of pole position to qualify as well only a few years back, so they used to have to qualify, just like the speedway. But as with everything money has ruined the sport, hence the lack of teams in F1.

 

Also speedway cannot be compared to F1 due to formula1 having been run like the way it is since 1950 (if you want in you set up a team and pay your entrance fee). Speedway since 1934 up until 1994 has always had a qualification system that allowed every rider the chance to go to the world final, now though thats changed due to money talking rather than commen sense.

 

Jim.

Edited October 25, 2005 by Jimmy D

[beauty]

taken from Speedwayworld.tv

 

ZAGAR DELIGHTED WITH SGP WILD-CARD

 

The official announcement of the date of the 2006 Slovenian Grand Prix - Saturday April 22 - was made in front of a large gathering at a press conference in Ljubljana, the capital of Slovenia.

It was also announced that Slovenian star Matej Zagar had been given a permanent wild-card entry into next year's SGP series.

"I'm very pleased with this SGP invitation," said Zagar, "and I am really looking forward to competing in the series.

"I know it's a big step in my career but I think I'm ready for all the new challenges that are coming my way. I know it's going to be hard to stay in the Grand Prix, but I will be making sure I am well prepared.

"I know I have the whole country of Slovenia supporting me and wishing me all the best and for me that is also very important."

 

Good luck Matty!!!

[Racer X]

Very sensible idea Joester!

 

BSI,

 

Can we have a GP Challenge meeting with the bottom 8 from the GP's and 8 nominees? Even better, an extra meeting where 16 nominees to battle it out for 8 places in the GP Challenge. The nominees could qualify on their league averages?

 

I like Matej but I think he'd have found it difficult to qualify under a scheme like this as a PL rider. You really must pit yourself against the best week in, week out to stand a chance.

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Isn't your suggestion going to make things worse?

There would be controversy in the 16 nominees - what about the example of a rider coming back from injury who had yet to establish an average?

 

Look at the meeting where Chrzanowski qualified http://world.speedway.org/2004/wc/i/q/f.sdf

He did it on merit and I don't see how this would be different in the scheme you suggest.

Ironically he beat a certain Hans Andersen in the semis!

 

One off meetings have a habit of throwing up the odd strange qualifier, and should BSI bring in qualification again - I bet we have just as much controversy from that as the current system. But ther will be (potentially) more meetings staged that will interfere with EL racing - possibly around the time of play offs - is that what you want?

 

Matej Zagar can't beat top riders?

How do you explain his showing the Slovenian GP?

Don't give me home advantage either - it counts for so little in the GP series, and Krsko is hardly a trick track anyway...

[GeneralMelchett]

All of this is un-necessary if BSI and the relevant people stuck to what they should do and re-introduce the GP challenge for the lower finishing GP series riders, let them ride off against national title winners and ensure a fair and open route the the SGP.

 

Top ten automatically re-qualify

 

Next Five are seeded into the GP Challenge where they ride against 11 other national title winners or riders seeded from the relevant national championship, if the title winner is already in the GP series.

 

The final 16th spot should be a local wildcard.

 

That way there can be no arguments at all, the system is open and not decided by men in suits.

 

I fail to see why Zagar should suddenly be elevated to the GP series. He is a young man and as yet has had one very good season where he has emerged as a genuine talent, but he is by no means the finished article nor better than countless other riders i could name.

 

I do wish him luck however, he is there now so i hope he does well.

[Racer X]

I'm not sure how one good year equates to having a 10.45 average last season and a 10.40 this season - that's two seasons in my book.

 

He also made a fair impression in the Slovenian GP last season as well as having a marginally higher average. He has to prove himself in a big way this year and if anyone is up to it that Matej is...

 

Having said that I would agree with the selection process you outline Mr Melchit - it is the best solution suggested so far in my opinion.

[Mylor]

1)...........There would be controversy in the 16 nominees - what about the example of a rider coming back from injury who had yet to establish an average?

 

2)............Look at the meeting where Chrzanowski qualified http://world.speedway.org/2004/wc/i/q/f.sdf

He did it on merit and I don't see how this would be different in the scheme you suggest.

 

3)............more meetings staged that will interfere with EL racing - possibly around the time of play offs - is that what you want?

 

4)...........Matej Zagar can't beat top riders?

How do you explain his showing the Slovenian GP?

 

Racer X, perhaps you would like to re-read my post.

 

1) I suggested 'The nominees could qualify on their league averages?'. There would be nothing to stop BSI and others from nominating who they wish, the idea being to get 16 world class riders competing for the remaining places, a much better system that that employed now.

 

2) See the answer to 1). Riders of Chrzanowski's calibre may find it difficult to get nominated.

 

3) One, possibly two meetings at the most and play-offs are rarely scheduled for weekends when these meetings would probably be run.

 

4) Can't see where I said Matej can't beat top riders. You must admit though that a PL rider, any PL rider would find it difficult to get a nomination.

[GeneralMelchett]

I'm not sure how one good year equates to having a 10.45 average last season and a 10.40 this season - that's two seasons in my book.

 

He also made a fair impression in the Slovenian GP last season as well as having a marginally higher average. He has to prove himself in a big way this year and if anyone is up to it that Matej is...

 

Having said that I would agree with the selection process you outline Mr Melchit - it is the best solution suggested so far in my opinion.

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Ok fair enough he has had TWO good seasons at PL level!

 

I'm still not convinced by that tho. If he does move to the EL for 06 and say averages 8 or more then i will accept he is making it on the bigger stage, for now he will still be required to convince a lot of people, myself included.

 

his performance at the PLRC, which i saw was disappointing, just 5 points i think altho he did beat Compton with ease in his final ride.

 

I think you have maybe twisted or misinterpreted what i have said in part. I feel he is an up and comign rider and will be better than Ferjan in the long run BUT as of 2005 he is only proven at a lower level. he has the ability for sure but he needs to prove it consistently before i would suggest he is truly worthy of a GP place.

 

Like i said tho, good, luck to the fella, it's his big chance, i hope he uses it.

[BobC]

I dont agree with the selections.

 

Youve heard of the expression...'Money talks'

 

Well in this case,the moneys not talking,it SHOUTING!

 

There is no other logical explantation for it.

 

Devaluing the competition,yet again.

 

Im all for anyone who holds a valid racing licence being given the chance to become World Champion.

 

That means localised qualifiers,just as it used to be.

[Subedei]

Look at the meeting where Chrzanowski qualified http://world.speedway.org/2004/wc/i/q/f.sdf

He did it on merit and I don't see how this would be different in the scheme you suggest.

Ironically he beat a certain Hans Andersen in the semis!

 

If you look at the GP Qualification tournament in 2003, you'll find that neither Scott Nicholls or Lee Richardson seem to have troubled entering, while other GP regulars Hans Andersen and Jaroslaw Hampel did.

Now, if you're going to have a qualifying system then you have to do away with "BSI picks", or you'll find a few riders not troubling themselves in the knowledge that Uncle John will look after them.

[FlyinRyan]

Not convinced at all by Zagar. Looked poor in Lonigo, looked crap in the recent ASL challenge at Peterborough - even got beat by Bager. He's only in the GP because of the tie up with his sponsors and the new venue in the 2006 series. It sucks.

[Boyscout]

i agree, one track crap like zagar, gollob etc should be left at the wayside until they are good enough to compete on tracks outside their "control"

[FlyinRyan]

i agree, one track crap like zagar, gollob etc should be left at the wayside until they are good enough to compete on tracks outside their "control"

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Yup for my money the Polish GP has come to Gollob's rescue more than once in recent years. So you're good at Bydgoszcz, so what.

 

Instead of one Chrzanowski for 2006 we will have two in the form of Zagar and Iversen and Pepe the Pole ain't much better. Still every cloud has a silver lining, this is fantastic news for Lee Richardson.

[Subedei]

Yup for my money the Polish GP has come to Gollob's rescue more than once in recent years. So you're good at Bydgoszcz, so what.

 

Coveniently forgetting that Gollob was third at Hamar in 2004 and has made the semis on his last two visits to Cardiff. Gollob's biggest problem in 2005 was simply poor machinery. And, on tip-top machinery, he looked awfully good at Eskilstuna and Wroclaw (both GP tracks) in the SWC. I'm expecting big things from him next season. And, anyway, he's top 8 and qualified automatically.

[Paleco]

I can"t see why everybody talks about Žagar WC. I agree that H. Andersen is a better rider in this momemt and puting him out of GP next year is bad decidion. But is not Matej"s fault. I did rather put Nicholls or Richardson out. Both have two years in Gp and did nothing! Just because they are english!

Give him a chance, he"s young, talented and he will bring some exciting in racing, i hope he will prove it and stay in top 10!

So please don"t act like you own the (speedway) world.

 

See ya in Krško.

[Concrete Cowboy]

Well, 7th place in the 2006 championship makes some of the previous posts look a bit stupid doesn't it ?.

 

Well done Matej, bring on 2007.