Hazzman Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 There've not been any transfers made yet. I'll try to keep this topic up-to-date but if SportoweFakty.pl or other website makes a special page with transfer lists I'll put a link here as well. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Team Building Ekstraliga Liga 1 Team Building Liga 2 Team Building Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Posted October 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 Thanks Hazzman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 (edited) If the governing body isn't willing to open up even one bit to the european market in that case I'm just waiting and hoping that a rider(es) from other EU countries will say that this is bullrubbish and take Polish authorities to EU courts (Bosman law). That's a misrepresentation of the Bosman ruling. The Bosman ruling brought footballers freedom at the end of their contract and nothing more. It'd be impossible for a rider to make a case against the Polish authorities unless he had the support of a club. If Rider X makes a case that he is excluded from the Polish leagues on the grounds of nationality, he'd have no case if every club stated they weren't interested in him. This is how the Poles manage to get away with it. The clubs are disciplined and stick together. Now, if Czestochowa threatened a legal challenge to the lone foreign rider rule, that'd be a problem for the Polish authorities. A rider can't do it on his own. Edited October 25, 2005 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 ...It'd be impossible for a rider to make a case against the Polish authorities unless he had the support of a club. If Rider X makes a case that he is excluded from the Polish leagues on the grounds of nationality, he'd have no case if every club stated they weren't interested in him. What if club X wanted to hire rider Y from lets say,Sweden, club X would send registarion form on behalf of the rider to the employment office, on what grounds would he be refused emplyment if he's a citizen of EU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 What if club X wanted to hire rider Y from lets say,Sweden, club X would send registarion form on behalf of the rider to the employment office, on what grounds would he be refused emplyment if he's a citizen of EU? My point exactly. If Club X did that, then there'd be a problem for the Polish authorities. There's no legal grounds for refusal. The limits on foreign riders can't stand in a court of law. But at the minute Club X doesn't do that. Rider Y can't do it on his own, he needs Club X to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rema & Ben Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 I have it on good authority (if there is such a thing) that Nicki P will be at Wroclaw next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 Tomasz and Jacek Gollob to Rzeszow? Jaroslaw Hampel to leave Wroclaw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Posted October 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 Today I got news that Rafineria Trzebinia are to resign from sponsoring Unia Tarnow. Leliwa, can you confirm it? If so, I think this may cause some transfering storm... Hampel should stay in Wroclaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 I've been under the impression that Polish speedway is always the first to get organised for the coming season? But the team building lists looked very quiet! Also something that has troubled me is the trainers in Polish and Swedish clubs, what's their role? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Posted October 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 (edited) (...) Also something that has troubled me is the trainers in Polish and Swedish clubs, what's their role? Hmmm... training They mostly work with young riders but also organizes common trainings to practise pair riding etc. Taking an example of Bydgoszcz - such common trainings are done on every Friday but riders like PePe or Jonsson usually don't take part in it as they have their matches in Britain. However, trainings are generally for riders that are not so skilled like they. Edited October 29, 2005 by Mateusz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 Hmmm... training They mostly work with young riders but also organizes common trainings to practise pair riding etc. Taking an example of Bydgoszcz - such common trainings are done on every Friday but riders like PePe or Jonsson usually don't take part in it as they have their matches in Britain. However, trainings are generally for riders that are not so skilled like they. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So friday is practise day at Bydgoszcz, and a work day for the trainers. This is something I did not know. I guess they have a similar day in Sweden? But not at UK, because most of them dont own their tracks, and because of the limitations to their abilities to use the track? A few question about the rules. Do you have points limit? Are reserves counted in it? A rider like Kasprzak who I'd imagine has a big avg. compared to some other U21 reserve, does it matter if he number 6 or 7 in his team? Or is the reserve with higher avg always number 6? (sorry if this has been covered earlier) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Posted October 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 A few question about the rules. Do you have points limit? Are reserves counted in it? A rider like Kasprzak who I'd imagine has a big avg. compared to some other U21 reserve, does it matter if he number 6 or 7 in his team? Or is the reserve with higher avg always number 6? (sorry if this has been covered earlier) Answer to all questions: no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 Also something that has troubled me is the trainers in Polish and Swedish clubs, what's their role? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Only took notice of that when i saw Marek Cieslak was trainer of Wroclaw.Remember him riding for White City in the 70's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Posted October 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 Probably all current trainers used to be riders in the past. Polonia's trainer - Zdzislaw Rutecki - finished his career in the mid 90s. My parents are at his age and they knew him from parties during their school years as they were at the same high school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiegal Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Can somebody please advise when the 2006 Polish League fixtures are available Many thanks SPIEGAL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leliwa Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Today I got news that Rafineria Trzebinia are to resign from sponsoring Unia Tarnow.Leliwa, can you confirm it? If so, I think this may cause some transfering storm... Hampel should stay in Wroclaw. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi, cannot confirm anything until we hear some official announcements. The thing is, that is is not the question of resigning from sponsoring but rather drafting a new contract. Current contract with Rafineria Trzebinia has expired this month after 3 years. Will they sign a new one, considering changes in management there, doubtful in my opinion. But, just waiting to see what will happen. I have to addmit I have more hopes for new strategic sponsors than for Rafineria extending their sponsorship. best, Leliwa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Probably all current trainers used to be riders in the past. Polonia's trainer - Zdzislaw Rutecki - finished his career in the mid 90s. My parents are at his age and they knew him from parties during their school years as they were at the same high school. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What is the situation with training schools.Are all clubs left to do there own thing or is the polish federation involved.Where are the best schools.See that a group of youngsters from South Germany spent a week in Poland and also a group from a Danish club had a training camp there as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Posted November 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 (edited) Sorry but I'm rather not into these things (when it comes to legal matters connected with PZM federation etc) ... But as far as I know clubs can gather youngs who'd like to become speedway riders and then after a restrictive selection the best ones are trained. Firstly on mini-bikes, later on normal ones. However, a clubs don't have to have such "schools". There are also some special speedway schools where mini-speedway tracks are located. Probably the most famous one is in Pawlowice. Hampel, Miskowiak and Bydgoszcz' Klecha started there. Edited November 2, 2005 by Mateusz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 And not forgetting Lopaczewski, who you'll be hoping is the best of them all young Mateusz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leliwa Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 (edited) To continue on the issue of strategic sponsor in Unia Tarnow - Rafineria Trzebinia spokesman said yesterday that the company management did not look into matters of promotion yet and decisions like possible involvment of RT in sponsorship of Unia Tarnow are to be expected next week at earliest, after the board of directors gets to know the detail report on last 3 years of sponsorhip of speedway in Tarnow. Still waiting than Edited November 4, 2005 by Leliwa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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