Lee Richardson

[jill]

If they were "top" riders, they'd be in the top 8 and have qualified. They aren't and they didn't. They've failed and failed again. How many more chances for them to fail do you want them to have? Neither will be in the top 8 next season and you'll still want them there. And why? Because they're British. That's the only reason they'll be there next season. They certainly don't deserve to be there on merit.

 

 

they are the TOP BRITS we support our own not other countries

[Subedei]

I'm a Mongol.

[jill]

glad to hear it .....

[DanTheMan]

of course he deserves to be in there.

look at what he did in the world cup and in the second polish grand prix

[iris123]

*edit* to be fair, at no stage in my post do I suggest that GP entry should be based on elite averages either - I simply mention the Speedway Star averages as most of the riders I refer to feature not only in the GP's, but in that list as well.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

So what was your point?Looks to me as if you were justifying Lee's position by pointing out how high in the averages he finished.If position in averages was any pointer Mr Adams would have finished how many times in the top 3 in the GP series?And if we correlated all the averages from the top leagues,would the riders have finished in the same positions as they did in the GP's?.I doubt it.

[Subedei]

of course he deserves to be in there.

look at what he did in the world cup and in the second polish grand prix

 

And look at what Walasek did in the SWC. Or Pepe and Holta for that matter.

So, as I understand it, the current rules for inclusion in the GP series as a formality are being British champion (as long as you're either Nicholls or Richardson) and finishing runner-up in the Polish GP (as long as you're Nicholls or Richardson). These rules are subject to change depending on what rules allow Nicholls and Richardson to compete in 2007.

[SCB]

Subedei, You say Lee Richardson (and Scotty) do not deserve a place as they did not qualify in the top 8, fair enough but by your reconing only 8 riders dserve to be in the GP's next season, correct?

 

Only one person has named names so far, personally, I think3 or 4 of them names are at best an equal to Lee. If we want to say Lee has failed to qualify, so has PK, about 3 times too and one some of them times where when there was 22 places available. That said, I would currently consider him worthy of a place, ahead of Lee infact.

Edited September 25, 2005 by SCB

[jill]

we have a british GP therefore we need at least A BRITISH rider in the GP otherwise people wont go..... The british league is one if not THE biggest so does need to have brits in it

Edited September 25, 2005 by jill

[Subedei]

Subedei, You say Lee Richardson (and Scotty) do not deserve a place as they did not qualify in the top 8, fair enough but by your reconing only 8 riders dserve to be in the GP's next season, correct?

 

My argument has always been that, now there is not qualification process, you have to have a set of rules that governs riders already in the circuit. My own personal "rule" is that if you don't qualify 2 seasons on the bounce you should be out. By that token Nicholls, Sullivan, Andersen and Richardson should be out. Replace them with younger riders fresh to the circus.

[Liesdale]

To all those people who think Lee Richardson doesn't deserve to be in the GP's.

 

WHO WOULD YOU REPLACE HIM WITH?

 

Loram - had his best days.

Stead - Not good enough

Harris - Not good enough.

 

That's about it for British riders.

 

I do think there should be some sort of qualifying rounds to get in if you miss out on the top eight, but under the current rules then Nicholls and Richardson have to be in.

Edited September 25, 2005 by Liesdale

[iris123]

To all those people who think Lee Richardson doesn't deserve to be in the GP's.

 

WHO WOULD YOU REPLACE HIM WITH?

 

Loram - had his best days.

Stead - Not good enough

Harris - Not good enough.

 

That's about it for British riders.

 

I do think there should be some sort of qualifying rounds to get in if you miss out on the top eight, but under the current rules then Nicholls and Richardson have to be in.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I guess we would have to wait for his passport to come through,but Holta would be my choice

 

 

 

 

 

maybe Ferjan if he can get one quicker

Edited September 25, 2005 by iris123

[Subedei]

Loram - had his best days.

Stead - Not good enough

Harris - Not good enough.

 

That's about it for British riders.

 

And why do we have to have British no-hopers in the GPs? There's a Czech GP, but no Czech rider last season and there's a Slovenian GP but no Slovenian rider last season. And there's a British GP and for next season there should be no British rider.

[Liesdale]

And why do we have to have British no-hopers in the GPs? There's a Czech GP, but no Czech rider last season and there's a Slovenian GP but no Slovenian rider last season. And there's a British GP and for next season there should be no British rider.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Cardiff is the biggest event on the GP calendar - they have to sell some tickets.

 

You may not like it, but those are the facts.

 

Regardless of that, it you fill the line-up with Slovenians and Czechs in preference to superior British riders, then the GP series will be poorer for it.

 

Our two Brits may have missed out on the top eight, but they've hardly been failures - they are both still within the top 16 riders in the world on all tracks around the world.

 

That's good enough for me.

[Subedei]

Cardiff is the biggest event on the GP calendar - they have to sell some tickets.

 

If that's the case, Loram would sell more tickets than either Richardson or Nicholls.

[iris123]

Our two Brits may have missed out on the top eight, but they've hardly been failures - they are both still within the top 16 riders in the world on all tracks around the world.

 

That's good enough for me.

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Lee's 7.04(after 5 matches) ave in Poland puts him at about 24th position in the league at the moment....so

[rabbit]

Sube - you're very vocal in your opinion that Scott and Lee shouldn't be in next year. I'm just wondering who you would name as the remaining non-qualifying riders who you feel should be in there. We're aware who you think shouldn't be - but who do you think should?

 

You must have an idea - you can't simply damn then with no reply on who you think is more entitled to those places.

Edited September 25, 2005 by rabbit

[jill]

If that's the case, Loram would sell more tickets than either Richardson or Nicholls.

 

 

maybe to some...

 

Lee's 7.04(after 5 matches) ave in Poland puts him at about 24th position in the league at the moment....so

 

and your point is ???

[iris123]

My point Jill is you can't make sweeping statements like "they are in the top 16 on all tracks around the world",if there are facts that don't back this up.If we use the Swedish league aves,then Lee comes in at no16 .Looking good,but then Crump is missing.Oh no,your out Who else is missing, i can't be bothered to look.But,like i said before the GP's are not league speedway.I think he should be in,but you can't justify it with league averages

[Subedei]

1..TR

2..JC

3..Leigh Adams

4..Nicki P

5..G Hancock

6..BP

7..TG

8..Andreas Jonsson

9..Jaroslaw Hampel

10..Antonio Lindback

11..Kenneth Bjerre

12..Krzysztof Kasprzak

13..Janusz Kolodziej

14..Matej Zagar

15..Lukas Dryml

[jill]

But i think Liesdale ment all tracks as in the GP tracks ?? well thats how i picked it up anyways.