tigerblues Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Nicholls and Richardson are in because they're British. It's the only reason they're in. They don't deserve it. It's shameful. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, if that's the reason, then they DO want Brits. Now I'll rephrase my original post....if they want Brits, which British rider is better than Lee?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 (edited) Well, just about any British rider could finish 14th out of 15 at the end of the day. So, if the aim is to finish 14th out of 15, why not give Harris or Stead a go. They could finish 14th out of 15 just as easily as Richardson. Edit: Hell, I could probably finish 14th out of 15. And if I'd the right sponsorship package for BSI, I'd probably be given a chance. Edited September 26, 2005 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Cyclops Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 i think if you see good racing and overtaking it does not matter if there english or marshan. it boils down to lee is making up the numbers and in for commericial reasons only. i have as much chance as being world champion as he has and i am 76 and blind in one eye. oh ya i also have a wooden leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jill Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 (edited) Of course it matters.... I want to see someone from MY OWN country doing well sod all the rest... we know there are better RIDERS but i want to see one of the TOP british riders in it and to make an impact... i just wish Lee and Scott would show their true talents. I wanted Jason Crump to win the series but jeeze if scott or lee had won it id be damn proud and a LOT more happy. Edited September 26, 2005 by jill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Absolutely. The "Andy Smith scenario" is what helps make speedway speedway, not someone deciding on commercial grounds who should be in the Grand Prix. Let's have some sort of qualifier, even if it is just a one-off final thrash bewteen 9-15 and 9 others. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree Norbold.At least it would legitimise their place in the GP's if they had beaten someone on the track.This closed shop is a farce.If thats what people want then so be it,but surprise and upsets are what make news,not "as you were".Even if they were very good at picking the best riders from this season,no-one can tell who will be the best 15 next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerblues Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Well, just about any British rider could finish 14th out of 15 at the end of the day. So, if the aim is to finish 14th out of 15, why not give Harris or Stead a go . They could finish 14th out of 15 just as easily as Richardson. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Because they're not ready. It's about entertainment as well as scoring. Anyway, I'm not taking this argument further, Lee and Scott are in and the rest aren't. Simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 It's about entertainment as well as scoring. Well, they'll certainly give everyone in Poland, Sweden and Denmark a good laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerblues Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Well, they'll certainly give everyone in Poland, Sweden and Denmark a good laugh. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Who will? The Brits? Don't comment until you've seen the meetings....you can't predict whether Lee and Scott will be good until you see them in next years GPs!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Cyclops Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Who will? The Brits? Don't comment until you've seen the meetings....you can't predict whether Lee and Scott will be good until you see them in next years GPs!!!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> well if you count the last 20 odd gps over 3 yrs he has been rubbish in, i think most people would predict he will be rubbish again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerblues Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Well, they'll certainly give everyone in Poland, Sweden and Denmark a good laugh. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, like the 2nd rider in the world did at Cardiff. well if you count the last 20 odd gps over 3 yrs he has been rubbish in, i think most people would predict he will be rubbish again. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, I know, there's not much chance of them doing much, but this is the GP for God's sake, it's not as if we can guess and be right(well, not often anyway) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzman Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Just read that FIM are considering to put qualifying rounds in their calendar for GP 2007. Commonsense has prevailed? We'll wait and see? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rami Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 I'm not questioning Lindback's right to be included. He certainly had a promising debut season. I'm just suggesting that he might benefit from a season's break. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So in your opinion Scotty shouldnt be in because hes not good enough otherwise he would have qualified, yet your not questioning Lindbacks right to be included even though he didnt qualify either!!. Your unbeleivable talk about double standards, How about you just pick your favourite 16 riders and we will put them in. And by the way Linback isnt half the rider Scott is and if you think he is how about a 50 quid bet on who finishes highest in gp series next year out of the 2 of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 (edited) Lindback made at least two finals, Nicholls didn't make ANY. Not a single one. None. Lindback qualified for the 2005 series, Nicholls didn't. Relied on being British and the charity of BSI and the FIM to get in. Same again for 2006. How many more chances to fail is Nicholls going to get? And, if you'd read my posts, you'd realise it's two failures and you're out. Lindback's had one failure, so he gets another chance. Maybe Chrzanowski deserves another go as well. After all, he was only marginally worse that Richardson. And Lindback is far from being one of my favourite riders. Edited September 29, 2005 by Subedei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rami Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Lindback made at least two finals, Nicholls didn't make ANY. Not a single one. None. Lindback qualified for the 2005 series, Nicholls didn't. Relied on being British and the charity of BSI and the FIM to get in. Same again for 2006. How many more chances to fail is Nicholls going to get?And, if you'd read my posts, you'd realise it's two failures and you're out. Lindback's had one failure, so he gets another chance. Maybe Chrzanowski deserves another go as well. After all, he was only marginally worse that Richardson. And Lindback is far from being one of my favourite riders. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes but Scotts first failure was in a season where he missed a lot of gps because of injury - at the end of the day in my opinion we want the best 16 riders in the gp series - now in my mind and i think in the majority of other peoples minds Scott Nicholls falls into that catagory - and he also happens to be one of the few riders who knows how to overtake and give a bit of excitement. i am curious to know why you dislike him so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 I don't dislike him. But he's vastly over-rated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 I don't dislike him.But he's vastly over-rated. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I read alot of your comments and know you are a very bright person in speedway matters, but this is crazy. How you can say Scott Nicholls is over rated. He is without doubt one of the worlds top riders and has made a number of semi-finals and always shown up well. He will make the top 8 in 2006 without fail. Hampel failed to make the top 8 this year for ther same reasons Scott didnt last season - injuries forced him out of vital rounds Lindback is up and down - 12 one night, 0 the next. Scott alot better rider than Antonio any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 He will make the top 8 in 2006 without fail. We will see. Personally, I doubt that very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerblues Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 Scott Nicholls is the British Champion, if he's not good enough to represent GB in the GP then who is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subedei Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 No one. There shouldn't be a British entrant because no one is good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
home straight Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 (edited) Undeniably at the current time Scott Nicholls is a better rider that Anton, however if anybody seriously considers that by the time he's 27 Anton won't have easily surpassed the achievements Scott Nicholls has made in his career they're deluding themselves frankly. Should Nicholls be in the Grand Prix? In my opinion yes, I think it would be hard to argue that he isn't one of the top 15 riders in the world. However I can see exactly what Subedei is getting at. BSI have consistantly said "finish top eight to qualify", which for a variety of reasons Scott hasn't managed to do for several years now. I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Subedei's opinion on this matter is more born out of frustration with the current state of British Speedway than a genuine dislike of Nicholls/Richardson. We should be at the pinnacle of the sport, leading the way, not being let in through the back door. Can anybody honestly say they'd be rallying for a Pole/Swede/Dane to be included in the series if they had consistently failed to reach the cut off on their own merit? Of course you wouldn't. Edited October 1, 2005 by home straight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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